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<div>{{game-major| name = Hack<br />
|developer = Jay Fenlason,<br />
Kenny Woodland,<br/><br />
Mike Thome<br/><br />
and Jon Payne<br />
|theme = Fantasy<br />
|influences = [[Rogue]]<br />
|released = 17 December 1984 (1.0.0)<br />
|updated = 23 July 1985 (1.0.3)<br />
|licensing = three-clause [[BSD]]<br />
|language = [[C]]<br />
|platforms = <br />
|interface = ASCII<br />
|length = <br />
|site = http://homepages.cwi.nl/~aeb/games/hack/hack.html<br />
}}<br />
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'''Hack''' was released in 1985, one of the earliest clones of [[Rogue]]. It is now known as [[NetHack]]. It spawned a subgenre of roguelike games known as [[hacklike]]s.<br />
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== Description ==<br />
Hack was an improved version of Rogue and introduced several new features, such as a computer pet dog following the character, several new classes, shops...<br />
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Food management was vital in Hack, for the character could easily starve to death if not properly fed.<br />
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== Versions and platforms ==<br />
Hack was written by [[Jay Fenlason]] in 1985 for Unix systems. Versions 1.0.1 to 1.0.3, the ones first published to Usenet, were re-written by [[Andries Brouwer]]. Several versions were developed for DOS and the Atari ST. Current BSD OS projects, such as NetBSD, are maintaining Hack for modern BSD systems.<br />
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== Legacy ==<br />
In 1987, [[Mike Stephenson]] merged several Hack versions together and published [[NetHack]], which is still supported today. NetHack in turn influenced games such as [[ADOM]] or [[Crawl]].<br />
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Hack is the prototype of [[hacklike]] games, a whole type of games sharing several primary characteristics (they are usually opposed to [[bandlike]] games, games which follow [[Angband]]'s gameplay).<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[RevivedHack]]<br />
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== Variants ==<br />
*[[Amiga Hack]]<br />
*[[HackLite]]<br />
*[[Nethack]]<br />
*[[PC Hack]]<br />
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== Related topics ==<br />
* [[Major roguelikes]]<br />
* [[Hacklike]]<br />
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== External links ==<br />
* [[wikipedia:Hack (Unix video game)|Hack (Unix video game)]] on Wikipedia<br />
* [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hack_1.0.3 Hack 1.0.3] on NetHackWiki<br />
* [http://web.archive.org/web/20071218214256/http://users.tkk.fi/~eye/roguelike/nethack.html Hack and Nethack]<br />
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[[Category:Hacklikes|*]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=35883List of handheld roguelikes2013-07-19T01:03:37Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Other */ Adding a link to another webpage that discusses NewtHack.</p>
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<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
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Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
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Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
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== Multiple platforms ==<br />
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* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[FAangband]] [http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/Downloads.html] (for NDS, Windows CE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for GBA, NDS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE, iPhone, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]] (iPhone, Android, and non-handheld Web/Desktop)<br />
* [[WazHack]] (iPhone, Android, and non-handheld Web/Desktop)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
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== Cell phones ==<br />
<br />
Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Android OS, Symbian OS, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
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=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
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* [[The Dungeon]] [http://jtiv.net/pages/the-dungeon] - an homage/pseudo remake of an old Macintosh Roguelike, the Dungeon of Doom<br />
* [[100 Rogues]] [http://www.100rogues.com] - a fully animated, original roguelike developed for the iPhone<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
* [[NetHack for iPhone]] [http://www.centralcore.co.uk/iphone/] (requires [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+OR+iphone+jailbreak jailbreaking]; also, you must run the command ROWS=16 in MobileTerminal.app before starting it, or else it's almost unplayable)[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/0916af9fe0891065/#18bdb867cdf6442a]<br />
* [[iNetHack]] [http://code.google.com/p/inethack/] (iPhone port availabe on the AppStore)<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]]<br />
* [[Pitman]] [http://www.ratking.de] - 3D roguelike made for the 7DRLC with board game style<br />
* [[POWDER]] a traditional Hacklike<br />
* [[WazHack]] a 3D side-view Hacklike<br />
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=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones (and other Palm OS devices) ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
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=== Java Micro Edition (J2ME) enabled devices ===<br />
Handsets from practically all major manufacturers (except Apple's iPhone) are able to run J2ME games and applications.<br />
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* [[Dweller]]<br />
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=== Android OS devices ===<br />
<br />
Search for [[https://play.google.com/store/search?q=roguelike&c=apps roguelike]] on Google Play. This will give you a more complete list than the list below, sorted either by relevance or popularity.<br />
<br />
==== Traditional roguelikes ====<br />
<br />
* [[BrogueX]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.disinterest.broguex]] - unofficial port of [[Brogue]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.crawlmb Google Play]] - ASCII only<br />
* [[NetHack]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tbd.NetHack Google Play]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nethackff Google Play 2]] - tiles and ASCII<br />
* [[Roguelike Classics]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.angdroid.classics Google Play]] - [[Larn]], [[Moria]] and [[Rogue]] <br />
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==== Original mobile games ====<br />
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* [[Cardinal Quest]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.tametick.cardinalquest Google Play]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Ascendance]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seramygames.dungeonascendancepaid Google Play]]<br />
* [[Dweller]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.roguelikedevelopment.dweller.android Google Play]]<br />
* [[Hydra Slayer]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roguetemple.hydroid Google Play]]<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.phk.keye_android Google Play]]<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.newdawn.touchquest Google Play]]<br />
* [[No Way But Down]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gadlor.watcher Google Play]]<br />
* [[Pixel Dungeon]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.watabou.pixeldungeon]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines 2 For Android]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.itprogs.sigmoremines Google Play]]<br />
* [[TraqueHack]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.ne.gate.traque.hack Google Play]]<br />
* [[Voyage to Farland]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.peculiar_games.pvefc Google Play]] [http://www.peculiar-games.com] - fully animated, original roguelike patterned on Mystery Dungeon games<br />
* [[WebRaidMobile]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.agsteiner.android.webraid Google Play]]<br />
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=== Blackberry Cellphones ===<br />
<br />
* [[Escape from Dragon's Den]]<br />
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=== Symbian OS ===<br />
Development of Symbian OS only applications is made using C/C++. Symbian OS is primarily found on smartphones from Nokia. Symbian OS handsets can also run J2ME games and applications<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
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=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy == <br />
<br />
* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] (Fushigi no Dungeon 2: Fuurai no Shiren), port (or similar game) to the SNES version. <br />
<br />
== Game Gear ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dragon Crystal]]. Similar to Fatal Labyrinth on the Genesis (playable on the handheld system Sega Nomad). <br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
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== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
* [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]]: Red Rescue Team<br />
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* To play the following games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
** [[AGB Hack]]<br />
** [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
** [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
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== Nintendo DS ==<br />
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* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Dungeon:_Shiren_the_Wanderer]<br />
* [[Rogue]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[Hack]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
** A more recent version of DSCrawl is available. It has been dldi patched by errabes [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13311] to run on a greater variety of flash hardware. Download dscrawl_dldi-b1 [http://errabes.free.fr/pogo2/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* [[Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
* [[Free-Like]] A [[7DRL Contest 2011]] entry. http://sigonasr2.servegame.org/freelike<br />
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== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Watches ==<br />
<br />
* [[RogueWatch]] (alpha) for the inPulse watch<br />
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== Other ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Nokia 770]] Internet tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Sharp Zaurus]] [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* [[NewtHack]] (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://web.archive.org/web/www.flashpt.com/cdopp/NewtHack.html][http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
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== See also ==<br />
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* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
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== External links ==<br />
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* [http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/RoguelikesGallery GameSpite list of console and handheld console roguelikes]<br />
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[[Category:Roguelike games]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=God&diff=35556God2013-06-06T16:51:34Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Games without gods */ A one-word copyedit.</p>
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<div>Many roguelikes include virtual gods as part of their gameplay. (Some do not: see the "Games without gods" section, below.) The gods are supernatural entities of divine power, often residing in another plane in the game, which the player has the option of worshiping (or at least worshiping a selection of them). They are usually extremely powerful and quite eccentric to totally insane. The world of mortals would be totally no concern for them if only they didn't have so much ambition and desire to have as many and as dedicated followers as possible. Although it is said that the gods gather them to fuel their insatiable ego needs, it is said that some have been known to just toy around with poor mortals. Others hold that the very power of the gods depends on mortal faith and that their interest is practical. Thus the gods intervene into the lives of 'weak beings' to make them aware of the presence of divine force and gain their attention.<br />
<br />
It is worthwhile to carefully consider which (if any) god you would like to serve.<br />
<br />
=== Dedicating your lifetime ===<br />
Some characters start out as follower of a certain god. Often they are bound to some god by [[race]] and/or [[alignment]] choices. Others begin without a special bond to any one god and have yet to discover a way to sacrifice his lifetime as servant. This might be done by praying at altar, making a suitable donation or worthy sacrifice. Exact way is determined by game. In [[POWDER]], one chooses a god to follow each time one gains a level and this determines one's "[[class]]" for that level.<br />
<br />
=== Staying a follower ===<br />
Gods usually expect certain behavior from followers. Some may ask to fight the unholy and demonic plagues while others will be pleased by eradicating [[magic]] users and yet another bunch will want you to slay all that is pure and good. Your god may like to receive or demand regular sacrifices. You should check what kind of sacrifices are pleasing, because an error will almost surely summon wrath upon you. Various [[quests]] and tasks are to be performed in god's name.<br />
<br />
The bright side is that as a follower you may be granted special powers which rely on your god's might. You may also be allowed to pray for help to receive divine intervention. Sometimes a gift may be granted as a sign of appreciation for devotion.<br />
<br />
=== Renouncing religion ===<br />
At times you may wish to leave your god for another or abandon religious life. In [[Nethack]], your god is assigned by class and alignment, changed only by changing alignment. In [[Crawl]], you may choose to change gods, but if you abandon a god (other than changing from one of the "good" gods to another), the spurned god will take vengeance upon you for some time to come. In some [[Angband variants]], it is possible to abandon your god by turning on and slaying it, if you worship one of the beings you must kill to complete the game.<br />
<br />
=== The nature of the gods ===<br />
Some gods are rather predictable, others are such forces of chaos that their "gifts" to their devotees may be misfortunes almost as often as they are blessings. Gods vary in how proactive they are, as well. In some games, one must [[pray]] in order to get the attention of a god in order to prompt action by the god. (In Crawl, prayer is used to dedicate actions to a god, although this is less true than it used to be, with more gods automatically accepting certain actions without prayer.) In others, gods will act on their own accord, with varying degrees of sensitivity to the current situation of their followers. In the typical roguelike, a god only attends to his own follower's behavior, but in [[POWDER]] all gods are active, reacting to the player's actions and offering benefits or punishments accordingly.<br />
<br />
=== Games without gods ===<br />
Some roguelikes do not include gods.<br />
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One example: [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hack_1.0.3 Hack 1.0.3], released by Andries Brouwer, did not include any gods. The game did include a stub "pray" command, but as the source code indicates, that the command did nothing but output the words "You finished your prayer". Prayer did not become useful until the game's direct descendant, [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/NetHack_1.3d NetHack], was first released.<br />
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[[Category:Concepts]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=God&diff=35555God2013-06-06T16:50:43Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Games without gods */ Clarifying. Grammar.</p>
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<div>Many roguelikes include virtual gods as part of their gameplay. (Some do not: see the "Games without gods" section, below.) The gods are supernatural entities of divine power, often residing in another plane in the game, which the player has the option of worshiping (or at least worshiping a selection of them). They are usually extremely powerful and quite eccentric to totally insane. The world of mortals would be totally no concern for them if only they didn't have so much ambition and desire to have as many and as dedicated followers as possible. Although it is said that the gods gather them to fuel their insatiable ego needs, it is said that some have been known to just toy around with poor mortals. Others hold that the very power of the gods depends on mortal faith and that their interest is practical. Thus the gods intervene into the lives of 'weak beings' to make them aware of the presence of divine force and gain their attention.<br />
<br />
It is worthwhile to carefully consider which (if any) god you would like to serve.<br />
<br />
=== Dedicating your lifetime ===<br />
Some characters start out as follower of a certain god. Often they are bound to some god by [[race]] and/or [[alignment]] choices. Others begin without a special bond to any one god and have yet to discover a way to sacrifice his lifetime as servant. This might be done by praying at altar, making a suitable donation or worthy sacrifice. Exact way is determined by game. In [[POWDER]], one chooses a god to follow each time one gains a level and this determines one's "[[class]]" for that level.<br />
<br />
=== Staying a follower ===<br />
Gods usually expect certain behavior from followers. Some may ask to fight the unholy and demonic plagues while others will be pleased by eradicating [[magic]] users and yet another bunch will want you to slay all that is pure and good. Your god may like to receive or demand regular sacrifices. You should check what kind of sacrifices are pleasing, because an error will almost surely summon wrath upon you. Various [[quests]] and tasks are to be performed in god's name.<br />
<br />
The bright side is that as a follower you may be granted special powers which rely on your god's might. You may also be allowed to pray for help to receive divine intervention. Sometimes a gift may be granted as a sign of appreciation for devotion.<br />
<br />
=== Renouncing religion ===<br />
At times you may wish to leave your god for another or abandon religious life. In [[Nethack]], your god is assigned by class and alignment, changed only by changing alignment. In [[Crawl]], you may choose to change gods, but if you abandon a god (other than changing from one of the "good" gods to another), the spurned god will take vengeance upon you for some time to come. In some [[Angband variants]], it is possible to abandon your god by turning on and slaying it, if you worship one of the beings you must kill to complete the game.<br />
<br />
=== The nature of the gods ===<br />
Some gods are rather predictable, others are such forces of chaos that their "gifts" to their devotees may be misfortunes almost as often as they are blessings. Gods vary in how proactive they are, as well. In some games, one must [[pray]] in order to get the attention of a god in order to prompt action by the god. (In Crawl, prayer is used to dedicate actions to a god, although this is less true than it used to be, with more gods automatically accepting certain actions without prayer.) In others, gods will act on their own accord, with varying degrees of sensitivity to the current situation of their followers. In the typical roguelike, a god only attends to his own follower's behavior, but in [[POWDER]] all gods are active, reacting to the player's actions and offering benefits or punishments accordingly.<br />
<br />
=== Games without gods ===<br />
Some roguelikes do not include gods.<br />
<br />
One example: [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hack_1.0.3 Hack version 1.0.3], released by Andries Brouwer, did not include any gods. The game did include a stub "pray" command, but as the source code indicates, that the command did nothing but output the words "You finished your prayer". Prayer did not become useful until the game's direct descendant, [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/NetHack_1.3d NetHack], was first released.<br />
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[[Category:Concepts]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=God&diff=35553God2013-06-06T02:03:26Z<p>Unforgettableid: Adding a few sentences about roguelikes without gods.</p>
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<div>Many roguelikes include virtual gods as part of their gameplay. (Some do not: see the "Games without gods" section, below.) The gods are supernatural entities of divine power, often residing in another plane in the game, which the player has the option of worshiping (or at least worshiping a selection of them). They are usually extremely powerful and quite eccentric to totally insane. The world of mortals would be totally no concern for them if only they didn't have so much ambition and desire to have as many and as dedicated followers as possible. Although it is said that the gods gather them to fuel their insatiable ego needs, it is said that some have been known to just toy around with poor mortals. Others hold that the very power of the gods depends on mortal faith and that their interest is practical. Thus the gods intervene into the lives of 'weak beings' to make them aware of the presence of divine force and gain their attention.<br />
<br />
It is worthwhile to carefully consider which (if any) god you would like to serve.<br />
<br />
=== Dedicating your lifetime ===<br />
Some characters start out as follower of a certain god. Often they are bound to some god by [[race]] and/or [[alignment]] choices. Others begin without a special bond to any one god and have yet to discover a way to sacrifice his lifetime as servant. This might be done by praying at altar, making a suitable donation or worthy sacrifice. Exact way is determined by game. In [[POWDER]], one chooses a god to follow each time one gains a level and this determines one's "[[class]]" for that level.<br />
<br />
=== Staying a follower ===<br />
Gods usually expect certain behavior from followers. Some may ask to fight the unholy and demonic plagues while others will be pleased by eradicating [[magic]] users and yet another bunch will want you to slay all that is pure and good. Your god may like to receive or demand regular sacrifices. You should check what kind of sacrifices are pleasing, because an error will almost surely summon wrath upon you. Various [[quests]] and tasks are to be performed in god's name.<br />
<br />
The bright side is that as a follower you may be granted special powers which rely on your god's might. You may also be allowed to pray for help to receive divine intervention. Sometimes a gift may be granted as a sign of appreciation for devotion.<br />
<br />
=== Renouncing religion ===<br />
At times you may wish to leave your god for another or abandon religious life. In [[Nethack]], your god is assigned by class and alignment, changed only by changing alignment. In [[Crawl]], you may choose to change gods, but if you abandon a god (other than changing from one of the "good" gods to another), the spurned god will take vengeance upon you for some time to come. In some [[Angband variants]], it is possible to abandon your god by turning on and slaying it, if you worship one of the beings you must kill to complete the game.<br />
<br />
=== The nature of the gods ===<br />
Some gods are rather predictable, others are such forces of chaos that their "gifts" to their devotees may be misfortunes almost as often as they are blessings. Gods vary in how proactive they are, as well. In some games, one must [[pray]] in order to get the attention of a god in order to prompt action by the god. (In Crawl, prayer is used to dedicate actions to a god, although this is less true than it used to be, with more gods automatically accepting certain actions without prayer.) In others, gods will act on their own accord, with varying degrees of sensitivity to the current situation of their followers. In the typical roguelike, a god only attends to his own follower's behavior, but in [[POWDER]] all gods are active, reacting to the player's actions and offering benefits or punishments accordingly.<br />
<br />
=== Games without gods ===<br />
Some roguelikes do not include gods.<br />
<br />
One example: [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Hack_1.0.3 Hack version 1.0.3], released by Andries Brouwer, did not include any gods. The game did include a stub "pray" command, but as the source code indicates, that the command did nothing but output the words "You finished your prayer". Prayer did not become useful until the game's direct descendant, the [http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/NetHack_1.3d NetHack], was released.<br />
<br />
[[Category:Concepts]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=30536List of handheld roguelikes2012-12-05T18:22:29Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only */ Removing the word "only".</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[FAangband]] [http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/Downloads.html] (for NDS, Windows CE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for GBA, NDS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE, iPhone, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]] (iPhone, Web, Desktop and Android)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cell phones ==<br />
<br />
Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Android OS, Symbian OS, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[The Dungeon]] [http://jtiv.net/pages/the-dungeon] - an homage/pseudo remake of an old Macintosh Roguelike, the Dungeon of Doom<br />
* [[100 Rogues]] [http://www.100rogues.com] - a fully animated, original roguelike developed for the iPhone<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
* [[NetHack for iPhone]] [http://www.centralcore.co.uk/iphone/] (requires [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+OR+iphone+jailbreak jailbreaking]; also, you must run the command ROWS=16 in MobileTerminal.app before starting it, or else it's almost unplayable)[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/0916af9fe0891065/#18bdb867cdf6442a]<br />
* [[iNetHack]] [http://code.google.com/p/inethack/] (iPhone port availabe on the AppStore)<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]]<br />
* [[Pitman]] [http://www.ratking.de] - 3D roguelike made for the 7DRLC with board game style<br />
* [[POWDER]] a traditional Hacklike<br />
<br />
=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones (and other Palm OS devices) ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
=== Java Micro Edition (J2ME) enabled devices ===<br />
Handsets from practically all major manufacturers (except Apple's iPhone) are able to run J2ME games and applications.<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]]<br />
<br />
=== Android OS devices ===<br />
<br />
* Search for [[https://play.google.com/store/search?q=roguelike&c=apps roguelike]] on Google Play. This will give you a more complete list than the list below, sorted either by relevance or popularity.<br />
<br />
==== Traditional roguelikes ====<br />
<br />
* [[BrogueX]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.disinterest.broguex]] - unofficial port of [[Brogue]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.crawlmb Google Play]] - ASCII only<br />
* [[NetHack]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tbd.NetHack Google Play]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nethackff Google Play 2]] - tiles and ASCII<br />
* [[Roguelike Classics]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.angdroid.classics Google Play]] - [[Larn]], [[Moria]] and [[Rogue]] <br />
<br />
==== Original mobile games ====<br />
<br />
* [[Cardinal Quest]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.tametick.cardinalquest Google Play]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Ascendance]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seramygames.dungeonascendancepaid Google Play]]<br />
* [[Dweller]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.roguelikedevelopment.dweller.android Google Play]]<br />
* [[Hydra Slayer]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roguetemple.hydroid Google Play]]<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.phk.keye_android Google Play]]<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.newdawn.touchquest Google Play]]<br />
* [[No Way But Down]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gadlor.watcher Google Play]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines 2 For Android]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.itprogs.sigmoremines Google Play]]<br />
* [[TraqueHack]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.ne.gate.traque.hack Google Play]]<br />
* [[Voyage to Farland]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.peculiar_games.pvefc Google Play]] [http://www.peculiar-games.com] - fully animated, original roguelike patterned on Mystery Dungeon games<br />
* [[WebRaidMobile]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.agsteiner.android.webraid Google Play]]<br />
<br />
=== Blackberry Cellphones ===<br />
<br />
* [[Escape from Dragon's Den]]<br />
<br />
=== Symbian OS ===<br />
Development of Symbian OS only applications is made using C/C++. Symbian OS is primarily found on smartphones from Nokia. Symbian OS handsets can also run J2ME games and applications<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy == <br />
<br />
* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] (Fushigi no Dungeon 2: Fuurai no Shiren), port (or similar game) to the SNES version. <br />
<br />
== Game Gear ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dragon Crystal]]. Similar to Fatal Labyrinth on the Genesis (playable on the handheld system Sega Nomad). <br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
* [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]]: Red Rescue Team<br />
<br />
* To play the following games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
** [[AGB Hack]]<br />
** [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
** [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Dungeon:_Shiren_the_Wanderer]<br />
* [[Rogue]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[Hack]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
** A more recent version of DSCrawl is available. It has been dldi patched by errabes [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13311] to run on a greater variety of flash hardware. Download dscrawl_dldi-b1 [http://errabes.free.fr/pogo2/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* [[Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
* [[Free-Like]] A [[7DRL Contest 2011]] entry. http://sigonasr2.servegame.org/freelike<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Watches ==<br />
<br />
* [[RogueWatch]] (alpha) for the inPulse watch<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Nokia 770]] Internet tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Sharp Zaurus]] [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* [[NewtHack]] (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
== External links ==<br />
<br />
* [http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/RoguelikesGallery GameSpite list of console and handheld console roguelikes]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Roguelike games]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=30535List of handheld roguelikes2012-12-05T18:21:55Z<p>Unforgettableid: Formatting and capitalization.</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[FAangband]] [http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/Downloads.html] (for NDS, Windows CE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for GBA, NDS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE, iPhone, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]] (iPhone, Web, Desktop and Android)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cell phones ==<br />
<br />
Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Android OS, Symbian OS, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[The Dungeon]] [http://jtiv.net/pages/the-dungeon] - an homage/pseudo remake of an old Macintosh Roguelike, the Dungeon of Doom<br />
* [[100 Rogues]] [http://www.100rogues.com] - a fully animated, original roguelike developed for the iPhone<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
* [[NetHack for iPhone]] [http://www.centralcore.co.uk/iphone/] (requires [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+OR+iphone+jailbreak jailbreaking]; also, you must run the command ROWS=16 in MobileTerminal.app before starting it, or else it's almost unplayable)[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/0916af9fe0891065/#18bdb867cdf6442a]<br />
* [[iNetHack]] [http://code.google.com/p/inethack/] (iPhone port availabe on the AppStore)<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]]<br />
* [[Pitman]] [http://www.ratking.de] - 3D roguelike made for the 7DRLC with board game style<br />
* [[POWDER]] a traditional Hacklike<br />
<br />
=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones (and other Palm OS devices) ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
=== Java Micro Edition (J2ME) enabled devices ===<br />
Handsets from practically all major manufacturers (except Apple's iPhone) are able to run J2ME games and applications.<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]]<br />
<br />
=== Android OS devices ===<br />
<br />
* Search for [[https://play.google.com/store/search?q=roguelike&c=apps roguelike]] on Google Play. This will give you a more complete list than the list below, sorted either by relevance or popularity.<br />
<br />
==== Traditional roguelikes ====<br />
<br />
* [[BrogueX]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.disinterest.broguex]] - unofficial port of [[Brogue]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.crawlmb Google Play]] - ASCII only<br />
* [[NetHack]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tbd.NetHack Google Play]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nethackff Google Play 2]] - tiles and ASCII<br />
* [[Roguelike Classics]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.angdroid.classics Google Play]] - [[Larn]], [[Moria]] and [[Rogue]] <br />
<br />
==== Original mobile games ====<br />
<br />
* [[Cardinal Quest]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.tametick.cardinalquest Google Play]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Ascendance]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seramygames.dungeonascendancepaid Google Play]]<br />
* [[Dweller]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.roguelikedevelopment.dweller.android Google Play]]<br />
* [[Hydra Slayer]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roguetemple.hydroid Google Play]]<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.phk.keye_android Google Play]]<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.newdawn.touchquest Google Play]]<br />
* [[No Way But Down]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gadlor.watcher Google Play]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines 2 For Android]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.itprogs.sigmoremines Google Play]]<br />
* [[TraqueHack]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.ne.gate.traque.hack Google Play]]<br />
* [[Voyage to Farland]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.peculiar_games.pvefc Google Play]] [http://www.peculiar-games.com] - fully animated, original roguelike patterned on Mystery Dungeon games<br />
* [[WebRaidMobile]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.agsteiner.android.webraid Google Play]]<br />
<br />
=== Blackberry Cellphones ===<br />
<br />
* [[Escape from Dragon's Den]]<br />
<br />
=== Symbian OS ===<br />
Development of Symbian OS only applications is made using C/C++. Symbian OS is primarily found on smartphones from Nokia. Symbian OS handsets can also run J2ME games and applications<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy == <br />
<br />
* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] (Fushigi no Dungeon 2: Fuurai no Shiren), port (or similar game) to the SNES version. <br />
<br />
== Game Gear ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dragon Crystal]]. Similar to Fatal Labyrinth on the Genesis (playable on the handheld system Sega Nomad). <br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
* [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]]: Red Rescue Team<br />
<br />
* To play the following games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
** [[AGB Hack]]<br />
** [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
** [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Dungeon:_Shiren_the_Wanderer]<br />
* [[Rogue]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[Hack]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
** A more recent version of DSCrawl is available. It has been dldi patched by errabes [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13311] to run on a greater variety of flash hardware. Download dscrawl_dldi-b1 [http://errabes.free.fr/pogo2/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* [[Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
* [[Free-Like]] A [[7DRL Contest 2011]] entry. http://sigonasr2.servegame.org/freelike<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Watches ==<br />
<br />
* [[RogueWatch]] (alpha) for the inPulse watch<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Nokia 770]] Internet tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Sharp Zaurus]] [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* [[NewtHack]] (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
== External links ==<br />
<br />
* [http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/RoguelikesGallery GameSpite list of console and handheld console roguelikes]<br />
<br />
[[Category:Roguelike games]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=30534List of handheld roguelikes2012-12-05T18:19:05Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Palm Treo and Centro cell phones only */ +</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[FAangband]] [http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/Downloads.html] (for NDS, Windows CE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for GBA, NDS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE, iPhone, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]] (iPhone, Web, Desktop and Android)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
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* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
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== Cell phones ==<br />
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Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Android OS, Symbian OS, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
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=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
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* [[The Dungeon]] [http://jtiv.net/pages/the-dungeon] - an homage/pseudo remake of an old Macintosh Roguelike, the Dungeon of Doom<br />
* [[100 Rogues]] [http://www.100rogues.com] - a fully animated, original roguelike developed for the iPhone<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
* [[NetHack for iPhone]] [http://www.centralcore.co.uk/iphone/] (requires [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+OR+iphone+jailbreak jailbreaking]; also, you must run the command ROWS=16 in MobileTerminal.app before starting it, or else it's almost unplayable)[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/0916af9fe0891065/#18bdb867cdf6442a]<br />
* [[iNetHack]] [http://code.google.com/p/inethack/] (iPhone port availabe on the AppStore)<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]]<br />
* [[Pitman]] [http://www.ratking.de] - 3D roguelike made for the 7DRLC with board game style<br />
* [[POWDER]] a traditional Hacklike<br />
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=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones (and other Palm OS devices) ===<br />
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* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
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=== Java Micro Edition (J2ME) enabled devices ===<br />
Handsets from practically all major manufacturers (except Apple's iPhone) are able to run J2ME games and applications.<br />
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* [[Dweller]]<br />
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=== Android OS devices ===<br />
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* Search for [[https://play.google.com/store/search?q=roguelike&c=apps roguelike]] on Google Play.<br />
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== Traditional Roguelikes ==<br />
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* [[BrogueX]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.disinterest.broguex]] - unofficial port of [[Brogue]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.crawlmb Google Play]] - ASCII only<br />
* [[NetHack]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tbd.NetHack Google Play]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nethackff Google Play 2]] - tiles and ASCII<br />
* [[Roguelike Classics]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.angdroid.classics Google Play]] - [[Larn]], [[Moria]] and [[Rogue]] <br />
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== Original Mobile Games ==<br />
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* [[Cardinal Quest]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.tametick.cardinalquest Google Play]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Ascendance]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.seramygames.dungeonascendancepaid Google Play]]<br />
* [[Dweller]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.roguelikedevelopment.dweller.android Google Play]]<br />
* [[Hydra Slayer]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.roguetemple.hydroid Google Play]]<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.phk.keye_android Google Play]]<br />
* [[Legends of Yore]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.newdawn.touchquest Google Play]]<br />
* [[No Way But Down]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gadlor.watcher Google Play]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines 2 For Android]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.itprogs.sigmoremines Google Play]]<br />
* [[TraqueHack]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.ne.gate.traque.hack Google Play]]<br />
* [[Voyage to Farland]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.peculiar_games.pvefc Google Play]] [http://www.peculiar-games.com] - fully animated, original roguelike patterned on Mystery Dungeon games<br />
* [[WebRaidMobile]] [[https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.agsteiner.android.webraid Google Play]]<br />
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=== Blackberry Cellphones ===<br />
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* [[Escape from Dragon's Den]]<br />
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=== Symbian OS ===<br />
Development of Symbian OS only applications is made using C/C++. Symbian OS is primarily found on smartphones from Nokia. Symbian OS handsets can also run J2ME games and applications<br />
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* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
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=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only ===<br />
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* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
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== Game Boy == <br />
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* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] (Fushigi no Dungeon 2: Fuurai no Shiren), port (or similar game) to the SNES version. <br />
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== Game Gear ==<br />
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* [[Dragon Crystal]]. Similar to Fatal Labyrinth on the Genesis (playable on the handheld system Sega Nomad). <br />
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== Game Boy Color ==<br />
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* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
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== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
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* [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]]: Red Rescue Team<br />
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* To play the following games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
** [[AGB Hack]]<br />
** [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
** [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
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== Nintendo DS ==<br />
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* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Dungeon:_Shiren_the_Wanderer]<br />
* [[Rogue]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[Hack]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
** A more recent version of DSCrawl is available. It has been dldi patched by errabes [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13311] to run on a greater variety of flash hardware. Download dscrawl_dldi-b1 [http://errabes.free.fr/pogo2/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* [[Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
* [[Free-Like]] A [[7DRL Contest 2011]] entry. http://sigonasr2.servegame.org/freelike<br />
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== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
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* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
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== Watches ==<br />
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* [[RogueWatch]] (alpha) for the inPulse watch<br />
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== Other ==<br />
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* [[NetHack for Nokia 770]] Internet tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Sharp Zaurus]] [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* [[NewtHack]] (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
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== See also ==<br />
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* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
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== External links ==<br />
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* [http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/RoguelikesGallery GameSpite list of console and handheld console roguelikes]<br />
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[[Category:Roguelike games]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Talk:Translation&diff=28371Talk:Translation2012-05-24T22:16:45Z<p>Unforgettableid: Reordering, adding headings, and slightly copyediting the unsigned post "Article moved here from Wikibooks".</p>
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This article was moved here from Wikibooks.org. History was:<br />
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# cur) (last) 20:54, 18 April 2006 Bhaak (?Translations available)<br />
# (cur) (last) 16:21, 18 March 2006 Ray Chason m (Added link to the Spanish translation)<br />
# (cur) (last) 06:26, 4 March 2006 Kernigh m (?Translations available - MediaWiki uses only one pair of [brackets] for external links.)<br />
# (cur) (last) 06:25, 4 March 2006 Kernigh (Add Template:NetHack here.)<br />
# (cur) (last) 01:40, 27 February 2006 70.24.212.140 (create page, 5 para)<br />
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== Article should be split up ==<br />
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This page is no longer what its title says it is. At the moment it is a terrible mish-mash and should be divided into several pages, namely:<br />
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- Roguelikes in languages other than English<br />
- Issues involved in translating NetHack and/or other roguelikes<br />
- Existing translations of well-known English-language roguelikes<br />
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—[[User:Wegesrand|Wegesrand]] 19:41, 7 April 2012 (CEST)</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=RogueBasin_talk:Community_Portal&diff=24607RogueBasin talk:Community Portal2011-05-11T02:36:36Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* RogueBasin:Copyrights */ reply</p>
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== Game Announcements ==<br />
If you have a new game/version/release to announce to the world, Make an edit to the [[News]] page, and please follow the existing format. If you want to generate discussion and receive feedback and comments, make sure to head over to [http://roguetemple.com RogueTemple] and use their forums, as well as [[rgrd]]. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:21, 16 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Link breaks wiki, News at 11 ==<br />
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The following link (from 'dead-end pages') fails to display anything other than nasty error messages. Possibly due to illegal characters in title?<br />
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http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Hansj%3F%84%E2%80%9A%3F%82%C2%B6rg_Malthener<br />
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Other 'bug'ish news. [[SDL]] exists, but searching for SDL will return zero hits. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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The error with Hansjoergs page are not because of illegal characters in the URL. They should be valid even though they look like at least twice encoded in Unicode. There seems to something terrible broken recently with non 7-bit characters. Database update maybe? Try searching for any special character like e.g. '????' (U+00C4 "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS" if it gets mangled). Even the db search bails with an error. --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 15:58, 23 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== All those guides! ==<br />
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Where did all those good guides at http://www.roguelikedevelopment.org/ go? according to the news, the content has been moved to this wiki but I can't find any of those guides! me want's 'em badly!<br />
[[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 11:28, 16 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:Sorry, I meant of course that alot of guides are missing, as least most of the map algorithm stuff previously found on the old site is missing here at the wiki. Anyone got copies of those guides, please? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 14:28, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::And you looked in the map section of [[Articles]]? All the ones I recall are there. Perhaps you can use the wayback machine to calculate which ones seem to be missing? [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 17:12, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::lol, the wayback what..? No, realy, I know there's alot missing from the site. Some examples are the guides written by Mike Anderson (Dungeon-Building Algorithm, Fractal Landscapes) and Radomir "The Sheep" Dopieralski (Recursive LvL Generation) [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 17:52, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::::Look at this URL. It is from www.archive.org, the wayback machine for the Internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20060114055601/http://roguelikedevelopment.org/ but before you go adding all of the articles to the wiki, you should know that there was some effort to move them over, but only if the original authors could be found to give permission. So you should check with an admin here about what to do. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 08:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::::Oh crap, I thought I could just go and add what I managed to find, since it had already been released on the site o.0' Pardon me, I'm too quick sometimes, doing stuff without thinking first. <br /> But, IMHO, not moving over all that stuff just because the original author couldn't be found kinda buggers me, that's just wast of time and good knowledge, stupidlly forcing to "reinvent the wheel". And it buggers me even more, since obvisiouly (spelling?) it can still be found on the web thanks to that wayback machine you're talking about (thanks for that link btw, would've never thought of that). <br /> Thanks for telling me dude, I'll try slowing down/backing off and poke an admin about it before doing anything else.<br /> <br />Anyway, should the "previously missing" [[Dungeon-Building Algorithm]] article I dug up yesterday be removed, or just leave it for now and hope for the better? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 13:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
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::::::Is there any chance of the articles being reposted on the original site until they can be ported here? They're only text documents, and a number of them were very good references. Most of the original files are not stored on wayback machine, so forn ow they are lost for good. [[User:lapoubelle|lapoubelle]] 30 April 2008<br />
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I have spent most of today searching for and collecting all of the articles that were on the old system but not on roguebasin. I was able to recover all but two. Those two and links to the archives are at [[User:Duerig]]. That way they should be safe until we can decide how to handle them. If the admins have a problem with this, I'll host them on my own domain if I have to. Let me know if you can find information on either of the two remaining articles. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 21:53, 1 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Game or project? ==<br />
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Template [[Template:Angband-variant]] asks for status field. Then game entry is added to "status games" category. This works well for stable games and defunct games but fails for alpha, beta and talkie talkie *projects*. Thus any Angband variants which classify themselves as having alpha or beta status do not get included in proper category. Any ideas how to correct that without destroying too much existing work? I would opt for removing status field and adding all variants to categories manually. Other choice is to spilt template into several like it was done with [[Template:Gameinfo]]. What are others opinions on this? <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 16:18, 19 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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: I think the best bet is to split the template like the Gameinfo did. I presume there was a good reason to do that split rather than use the status field cleverly. I don't like people having to manually add the category tag as that will result in people forgetting to categorize the variant at all. --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 05:21, 21 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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:: Foundations are lain. I am going to wait some more time before proceeding to change all Angband variant pages in case better ideas show up or someone has objections. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:03, 25 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== 1krl ==<br />
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We should add this to the wiki, but I'm not sure where.<br />
http://1024brl.googlepages.com/<br />
(and a link to the rgrd posts of course.<br />
--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 02:00, 22 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Rule of thumb for new -> old news? ==<br />
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How many months (or how many posts) should be in [[News]] before you should move some to Old News? I would suggest that four months or so is enough as the 'News' section is currently longer than the rest of the Main page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:I think that we should move all news from 2008 to Old News. We actually don't really need the [[News]] page to show news older than a month, as it is intended to show '''new''' releases. I will move all news from 2008 now. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 22:34, 22 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== More bug-ish behaviour - support for unicode/multi-byte characters ==<br />
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I've just noticed that Japanese text typed in my user page spontaneously changed into gibberish (technically 'mojibake' ;-). The interesting point is that '''initially''' it displayed properly, only after a day or two did it turn into unintelligible characters. Similar behaviour can be seen at [[POWDER/Russian translation]]. For test purposes I will now write something in Japanese. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
: My bet is someone used a browser that didnt handle jis/utf or whatever encoding properly and saved it back... your test string is nothing but ?????? to my browser... (ff3.5) [[User:Stu|Stu]] 19:59, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Nope. Because it happens to me and Japanese works just fine with Firefox elsewhere (including other wikis). I should test whether it still happens on the new Mediawiki version. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Testing now ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Nah, it still stuffs up. :-( [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
::: Will see what I can do tonight --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 13:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: I believe it may be down to encoding on the MySQL database - it may need switching to unicode (UTF-8, off the top of my head?) as what is probably happening is that it's being munged into single bytes which make no sense. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 13:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== talkie = pre-alpha / planning ? ==<br />
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The 'talkie' category appears to be a little off compared to the line-up of "alpha, beta, stable". Should I understand it to include games that are pre-alpha / planning or should "pre-alpha" be a new category? <br />
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A significant number of 'alpha' projects include no download. I was under the impression that 'alpha' meant that you could run it and see something even though it might not be a playable game yet. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Yes, I think that games that are in 'alpha' but have no downloads should be moved to 'talkie'. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:23, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Image uploads? ==<br />
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I see that file uploads are disabled. I'd like to be able to upload a few small icons for alpha/beta/stable/defunct (after I find/create them ;-). If I can't do it myself, is there an admin who I could email or something? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:It's not possible to upload files, but you can use images from other sites. Put the image's URL on the page, without any special formatting (look at [[Downfall]] for an example). If you need a site to upload to, I recommend [http://imgur.com/ Imgur]. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:26, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== 'roguelikes' section of Main page. ==<br />
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I think that ''influential'' would be clearer (and less controversial) than ''popular''. There are arguably many recent roguelike games that are more popular than ToME, but few (if any) that have been more influential. <br />
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I suggest that [[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]], [[Roguelike Reviews]], [[Tree of roguelike evolution]], and [[Recently Updated Roguelikes]] be added to the 'inclusion' page [[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]], and the text changed as below:<br />
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<nowiki>= Roguelikes =</nowiki><br />
Many Roguelikes are freely available online. The most <strike>popular</strike> influential are:<br />
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<div style="text-align:center">[[ADOM]] '''·''' [[Angband]] '''·''' [[Crawl]] '''·''' [[NetHack]] '''·''' [[ToME]]</div><br />
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Since the control systems of these Roguelikes are geared towards "expert" players, the novice player may be interested in trying a 'lighter' game like some of the '''[[coffeebreak roguelike]]s''' or just dive in at the deep end and find a '''[[:Category:Roguelike_games|game]]''' to suit you.<strike>. The following may help you find out more: <br />
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*[[:category:roguelike games|Categorized Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Roguelike Reviews]] <br />
*[[Tree of roguelike evolution]]<br />
*[[Recently Updated Roguelikes]]</strike><br />
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== Also ... ==<br />
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See [[Talk:List of roguelikes]] for possible replacement for the content of that page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Location instead of Nationality? ==<br />
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In the developer info, I think it would be more fun to have a Location option instead of a Nationality option. With location, people can put in however much information on their location they want. They could type things like "Sacramento, CA, USA" or just "Arizona, USA" or even "France". The Nationality field limits this information purely to the country where the person is from, which in many cases might not be as interesting as the state in that country that the person lives in. <br />
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So, the advantage with using the word Location instead is that it provides people the flexibility to put in however much or little information they want, and it can still contain the exact same information that Nationality does. Also, upgrading is easy because we can just replace all instances of Nationality with Location. Although this might be considered a minor issue because people can enter their state and so on into the Nationality field, the Nationality field still encourages new contributions to contain as little information as possible on the location of the developer. Renaming it Location would encourage them to put in as much information as they wanted to. - [[elig]]<br />
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: I'm not hard against it, but it doesn't sound that great a move. I doubt the excitement would keep you awake at nights if I told you that I live in Wiltshire now but Berkshire before I moved. ;-) States are mostly only going to be interesting if you happen to live in the same country. That said, go ahead and do it if you want, it's no big deal either way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: The biggest problem with this is that every developer would have to change their developer info. It would be better to create a new template with the nationality changed to location, but then some developers would have a "location" field and others would have a "nationality" field, which could be confusing. I don't think it's worth it to change it. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 00:38, 8 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Important links on front page? ==<br />
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What about having some closely related important community links on the front page? There are very few major resources aside from Roguebasin, pretty much just Temple of the Roguelike, the rgrd newsgroup, #rgrd and Temple of the Roguelike's forums. The RGRD links are currently under articles, perhaps for lack of a better place. They're not articles and it seems a little confusing to me to have them under there. Links might be appropriate, but since there are so few other major resources for the roguelike community, why not highlight them directly on the main page? I feel this would really help people who find Roguebasin for the first time to enter the community. At least, I think all these links should be placed in a single location that is easy to access and properly labeled. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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I have now added this to the front page, to show how I think it might look. Feel free to take it off ofcourse if you absolutely hate it, but I think it could be a valuable addition to the front page. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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A few [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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# Although I like "Temple of the Roguelike" it doesn't really need two links.<br />
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# r.g.r.d Newsgroup and R.G.R.D IRC Chatroom could have direct links as well as (instead of?) the links to RogueBasin pages.* <br />
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# angband.oook.cz deserves a mention.<br />
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# You've just stolen the space I wanted to use for the "Featured game section" ;-) (But I can't complain too much as I didn't take the time away from [[Angband/65]] development to feature even one game)<br />
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NOTE: r.g.r.d Newsgroup should probably have a Google groups link - many people won't have a browser that supports things like news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.pocketpc. If there was a browser equivalent for IRC:// I'd probably say the same about that.<br />
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Also note that there's a "links" link at the top of the page. I'd suggest that page could be made more user-friendly and updated.<br />
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Featured games is a good idea. We can always put it above or below the community links. But it should definitely have a featured games thing on the front page. The other changes are all good, I'll probably just leave the Temple of the Roguelike forum, since this page already has news physically on it. The r.g.r.d. newsgroup should be a direct google link IMO as well. IRC I think it would be better to have a seperate page for, just because there's no easy way to specify an IRC server's address, to my knowledge. I'll also add angband.oook.cz - [[elig]]<br />
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I've also added a temporary space for the future featured Roguelike section. Feel free to remove/edit it of course. Just figured I'd reserve the space :) Also, feel free to put it above the Roguelike community links if you want. Also, what about having the featured roguelike at the very top of the page? Like, in the space where "What is a Roguelike?" is now, with "What is a Roguelike?" right below it? It might be something neat to entice any new visitors to try a Roguelike. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Specific games.. ==<br />
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''"I don't think we should have links to sites about specific games"''<br />
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http://angband.oook.cz/ is not about a single game, it is about an entire genre of roguelike games. As evidenced by the fact that there are 82 *band variants in the [[List of Angband variants]]. There are at least as many posts on variants as on 'vanilla' Angband and frankly it gets more traffic than http://www.roguetemple.com/ by a long way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Okay. From the description of the site, I assumed it was primarily about Angband. I didn't even look at the site. I will re-add it. :) [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:50, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Reorganize site? ==<br />
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Right now, this site serves two main purposes: to describe existing Roguelike games and have articles about creating new Roguelikes. I think that at least for the average user, it might be confusing to have the two "mixed" like they are. For example, I think the news section of the main page should be divided into two sections: games and development tools. What do you think? [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:54, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: I don't think the development tools should be split out of news, but I do agree that something of a reorganisation is needed. The site is, IMO, more accessible for game information than it is for development help. The great majority of game information is in one of two types - 1) Lists and categories, 2) Individual game information. That is basically all that's needed - ways of finding a suitable game efficiently and information on the game itself. <br />
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: Development articles (and related content) are trickier. For one thing I suspect many of the articles may be old fashioned. There are also quite a few articles that are 'locked' (can't be edited). They are spread around between different languages and I think there are big gaps in difficulty level between them. What I think would be great would be if there was a series of articles all in the same language (preferably one accessible to new learners and usable on many platforms) that cover all major aspects of development. Don't worry about having the most efficient algorithms, worry more about understandability and consistency between articles. Make use of stable libraries if appropriate. Basically with the intent that someone starting at the first article and finishing at the last could go from newbie to having made a basic functional roguelike game. That series could form a stable "trunk" and generous inclusion of links to other relevant articles would provide branches off to the details and options that more experienced developers (and those using other languages) will need. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: I think that's a good idea. It might be best to use [[Python]], because it is easy to learn, fast to develop in, and portable. It's slow (some say it's 100 times slower than C++), but as you said, efficiency isn't very important. I have some experience with Python, so I could help write some of the articles. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: As I understand it the latest version has improved quite markedly in speed, hasn't it? <br />
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::: I'm pretty much booked up working on [[Angband/65]] as far as my free time goes up till the end of August so I'm afraid I won't be of much use (and I don't know python). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: Definitely, the game info is far more accessable than the development info. What we're desperately lacking is more information on development, a better organization of that information, and a better way to access that information. I'm not entirely sure how to fix these problems, except for maybe creating a generic Roguelike Development page that is linked to from the front page. Aside from that, I'm not sure. :\ I've thought about adding articles from time to time, but I never know what to name them or where to properly add them. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Library template(s) ==<br />
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I've added [[Template:Library]] and applied it to the pages in category:library. While doing so two points came up to be resolved: <br />
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1. Should there be -alpha, -beta, -stable and -defunct divisions for libraries?<br />
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2. Should [[Roguelike Library For Java]] and [[Roguelike Library For Perl]] be changed to use the library template I added? <br />
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P.S. Feel free to change / or comment on the library template I made. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: IMO all libraries should follow the same format, and I love the alpha beta stable etc. thing. Sounds good to me! - [[elig]]<br />
:: I also like that curses uses a library like template to specify that curses is a series of libraries. [[elig]]<br />
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== Who's minding the store? ==<br />
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That is to say, who is it that does the admin stuff like delete pages in the delete category, pay for the domain name, update the mediawiki version? I'm just asking because it would be a real shame if I came back here one day and it was all 404'ed or something. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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Not sure, might be slashie. I was thinking of just such an awful idea myself recently. Maybe we should start some kind of fund to financially support roguebasin. Erowid for instance has a non-profit donation based organization that pays their bills. Of course, we wouldn't be able to do anything nearly so fancy, but a paypal account and the ability to donate might be nice... Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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:: I just now noticed the PayPal donate button on the lower left side of the page. Is that new? I definitely think it should be given a more prominent place on the website if it is! Maybe a nice spot on the front page, and one on the left right under the logo, maybe. Glad to see this place has a donate button now, though! Everybody donate! :D [[elig]]<br />
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::: That's been there forever. Before everybody donates I think someone should email the address shown and see if you get a reply. (I don't think Bjorn has edited anything here all the time I've been here?). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: This is being discussed at http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413 , thanks for your interest! --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 07:18, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Wiki backup / duplicate? ==<br />
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With the current situation (not sure who runs RogueBasin, not sure who has the admin account for the wiki, out of date mediawiki version) would it be possible for someone to duplicate / backup the wiki content? Worst case it wouldn't all be lost if it goes south. Best case someone might be willing to set up a new host with better spam-protection and less bugs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::I agree, it would be a great benefit to the entire community if we were able to duplicate/mirror this wiki. If anyone could duplicate it, we could set up some mirrors in case the main site ever goes down. Plus, this has the added advantage of independent members of the community being able to download a backup copy. We definitely need an easy way to mirror/download/backup Roguebasin, IMO. [[elig]]<br />
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::: There's a special page for Exporting pages for import to another '''MediaWiki''' wiki. [[Special:Export]]. Not sure how well it works. Or you can ''just'' manually copy each page source. Possibly to a wiki host like PBWorks ??? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::: I have written/grabbed a few scripts to begin automating the backup process and I've also used them to make a complete backup of the roguebasin wiki. Both the scripts and the initial backup are available in a package at: EDIT: Download scripts at http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ /EDIT so grab a copy and keep it just in case. If somebody feels ambitious, they can finish automating the process. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 07:05, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:::: This is awesome, Duerig! This is exactly what we needed! :D Thank you. I'm going to download it right away. [[elig]] Edit: After having downloaded it, this really is EXACTLY what we need. This is fantastic. Everyone should download this. [[elig]]<br />
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::::: Ha-ha, maybe not *everyone* (surely there are bandwidth concerns?). But great news and thanks Duerig. I have just downloaded it and will experiment with how easy it is to set-up elsewhere. (It's not a backup until you've tested the restore process! ;-) I'll report in the Temple of the Roguelike thread. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::::: Given your enthusiasm, I decided to bite the bullet and finish automating the process. Download the scripts and run 'backup.sh' and everything will be done for you including downloading the actual xml files and compressing them into a tarball with the current date. I converted a piece of my webspace into backup storage and I've set up a cron job to make monthly backups and stash them there. Fully automated backup scripts at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup index at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ I plan to leave things running and available until/unless my provider complains. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 09:32, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::::::: Scautura has made the [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3322#new very generous offer] to supply ad-free wiki hosting. Depending on whether we get any replies from Bjorn (and what those replies are) I think it might be a good idea to move RogueBasin. Obviously it will still be a good idea to make regular backups whatever else happens. Otherwise YourWiki looks like a possibility for temporary / emergency backup location. I'll be waiting a while to see how things proceed before doing more. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::::: Duerig comes through once again! This is absolutely amazing stuff, and exactly what we need. Thank you! Now I can start a torrent based on the backups/ directory. This is awesome! :D [[elig]]<br />
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== Weird error? ==<br />
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Every time I search for Bjorn or Bergstrom the search crashes. I was trying to figure out when the new paypal button was added by searching for Bjorn Bergstrom and then seeing when he added it. Unfortunately, it crashes. Any idea why? [[elig]]<br />
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: I've seen this before. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact reason for the problem (or where I wrote about it) but I think it's got something to do with the content of the pages searched for (possibly related to the way non-ascii characters get messed up). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== The Roguebasin torrent! ==<br />
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Here is a torrent for the most recent backup of the Roguebasin. I'll be seeding it at 50kb/s pretty much forever. Remember, seeding this is completely legal and supports the preservation of the Roguebasin, so please seed!<br />
[http://www.mininova.org/tor/2742707 Get the torrent here!]<br />
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::You can also save the copy on [http://www.adrive.com/static/storageplans_basic Adrive] or [http://skydrive.live.com Skydrive] --[[User:Pilotpirx|Pilotpirx]] 11:36, 8 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New spammers ==<br />
Think its time to update the wiki again? or do something with captha or something to lock new users... the spam is coming thick and fast [[User:Stu|Stu]] 17:39, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: It might be best to have an administrator activate each account before it can be used. This would prevent the spam, and there aren't very many new accounts, so it wouldn't be too tedious. Another option would be to disallow accounts with "buy" in the name. We would need an administrator to do either of these, and it would be useful to have more administrators. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:23, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Right its time someone locked new users down until something can be organised. its beyond ridiculous now. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 18:41, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
::: The wiki is currently in a transition period. The old ops had been idle for quite a while (see comments above and linked thread on TotRL). Slash has just recently been given shell access so he can set things up. I believe that he is planning on upgrading the wiki software and take other measures to prevent spam. While he figures out a permanent solution, we should try to keep things as clean as we can. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: Hello people, I was performing the upgrade but I ran into some problems with the PHP version... hope to have it fixed tomorrow -- [[Slash]]<br />
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: New captcha measures have been installed, I hope we will have a better time with spambots now --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 18:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: The spam seems to have slowed a bit, but it definitely has not stopped. Are you using a generic captcha? Perhaps something that requires some basic knowledge of roguelike games would work better (I know the original Dudley's dungeon used Nethack-based questions and I never saw it get spammed.) [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: Revised opinion: This is not working. You either need a different form of captcha or accounts need to be approved by a human. [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Or possibly more sysops able to block IP ranges (on the technical side, are all those 'fullmassage' spammers from the same IP?) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::: Paul Blay has been appointed as a SysOp, about 330 spammers have been deleted --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: I am using "reCaptcha", which is a popular captcha plugin (which may not be a good choice, as popular security measures are the first target for spammers), human approval proved to be clumsy in the past, but if the situation scales we will go that way. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roguebasin mediawiki updated to 1.15.0 ==<br />
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Well, the upgrade is finished. Let's collect all things broken here. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<s>1. I noticed the images can no longer be referred to using only the url, so we will have to fix them up --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s> Fixed --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 00:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== (re)Captcha is broken! (or not) ==<br />
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It doesn't matter what you type, the update goes through anyway. No wonder we've been spammed to heck. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:In theory, reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word, such that there is one word to check against, and one that they are trying to figure out - if the known word is correct, it doesn't matter what the other word is. Sounds like someone's fouled up with the code on their end and neither word matters. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 12:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: "reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word" Oh, I didn't realize that. I'm not sure if it's working or not now. I'll have to check. I just linked 'google' to get a reCapture prompt and it didn't ask for one. o_O???. Oddly reCapture prompts have been appearing when I haven't added any new URLs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I just tested and reCaptcha is working when creating a new account? and there's no way to edit pages if you dont have one... am I missing something obvious? --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think I was misunderstanding the reCapture system. Scautura noted that you only have to get one of the words correct, right? I didn't know that. Before I was 'sysop'ed I was getting a reCapture prompt on all edits that added a new external URL. I was also getting a reCapture prompt on quite a few edits that ''didn't'' add an external URL, but I'm not sure what all that was about. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Community Portal ==<br />
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Unless someone can suggest a reason I shouldn't I'm going to unprotect the [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal] page, remove the redirect and delete the rather useless stub in [[Community Portal Alias]]. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I think that's ok --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 14:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Um... the roguebasin itself has a reason. When Jeff last tried to do it his attempts were thwarted by data base error. I would be surprised and grateful if you somehow managed to make it happen. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Well, I'm back and I finally did it. Now we just need to know what actually goes in a [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal]. :-P [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]] 09:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== NetHack poll news-worthy? ==<br />
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Is the [http://nethack-de.sf.net/poll.html NetHack poll for current and former player] a news-worthy item?<br />
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The news section is labelled 'New Roguelike Releases' so I guess rather not? --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 11:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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[[elig]]: I think usually temple of the roguelike handles news related stuff like that. Although, maybe we should have some kind of a more general news feed on here? What does everyone else think?<br />
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== Template change suggestion for handling released / updated data ==<br />
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In an effort to a) make the data for 'updated' and 'released' more consistent and b) make it easier to handle by the IRLDB I'm going to suggest splitting up the 'updated' and 'released' information into two fields each. One for the date, and one for the relevant version number.<br />
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See [[Brogue]] and [[Template:Game-stable]] for how this could work.<br />
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This would also be a good opportunity to decide on a common date format. I would suggest that <br />
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Mar 12, 2009<br />
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Advantage of first option - Arguably looks nicer<br />
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Advantage of second option - Year is first so it will sort nicer in text sorting.<br />
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: [[User:Ido|Ido]] Go for it! 12:02, 13 July 2010<br />
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: If you want a date with the year in front don't do "2009 Mar 12". It looks ugly as hell and is extremely uncommon. The only reasonable leading year format that is also widely used would be ISO 8601: "2009-03-12". --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 10:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright status of pages edited ever since the wiki stopped telling editors that they GFDL their edits ==<br />
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Hi all,<br />
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RogueBasin has sometimes required contributors to release their work under the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GNU Free Documentation License] and sometimes not. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here?<br />
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[[RogueBasin:About]] says this wiki was hosted at [http://roguebasin.swiki.net roguebasin.swiki.net], then [http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net], and now is hosted at [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org].<br />
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I've tried for a while but haven't managed to get the Internet Archive's [http://web.archive.org Wayback Machine] to show me any part of the wiki as it existed at swiki.net. What copyright license did the wiki use back then?<br />
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At t-o-m-e.net, RogueBasin indicated that it was GFDLed. See [http://web.archive.org/web/20060718204357/http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net/index.php/Main_Page the Main Page as it was in mid-2006] for example. At the bottom, it says "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2." When a MediaWiki-based wiki says that, it almost always MediaWiki tells editors that when they click "Save page", they agree to release their contributions under the GFDL. We can safely assume that RogueBasin did so back then.<br />
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Here at roguelikedevelopment.org, RogueBasin has no license information at the bottom of the page, and while I'm editing a page, it only says "Please note that all contributions to RogueBasin may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. ... You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource ... ."<br />
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In [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3305#msg3305 the "Future of RogueBasin" thread at roguetemple.com], Paul Blay wrote "Articles in RogueBasin are those which are under either the 'GNU Free Documentation License 1.2' (most of them) or a modified version that doesn't allow the content to be modified (a handful or two, I guess). There should be no problem with copying them to another site as long as they remain under the same license." I think he meant those articles which were posted to Usenet by a single author then copied here later.<br />
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But many of our pages here, like the [[NetHack]] page and the [[Angband]] page, have been written by many wiki contributors. So, at one point, contributors agreed, when they clicked "Save page", that their work was GFDLed. Later on, further contributors didn't agree to such a thing. The GFDL frowns upon this: it seems to me to require that if you modify a GFDLed work and distribute the modified work (e.g. by saving it on a public wiki server), your changes must be released under the GFDL.<br />
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What's the copyright status of the pages which were once all-GFDL and now are not?<br />
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Cheers, --[[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 4DRL Template ==<br />
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4DRL Template: There is now a [[Template:Game-4drl|game-4drl]] template for use in the entries to the 4DRL challenge! (use this instead of game-stable, game-alpha, game-7drl, etc.) <small>--The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Nolithius]] [[User talk:Nolithius|(talk)]], 17:57, 28 October 2010.</small><br />
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== Shorter repost: Are the pages on this wiki GFDL or not? ==<br />
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This is a shorter repost of my long post above.<br />
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In certain years, RogueBasin has required contributors to release their work under the GFDL open-content license. In other years, RogueBasin hasn't required it. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here: are they GFDL or not?<br />
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Cheers, [[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Assume they are not because you cannot divide content that is affected by GFDL from content that is not.<br />
: <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 04:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Clearly everyone who's contributed to the wiki's been fine with having their writing go on the wiki. But I figured that since the GFDL requirement wasn't always there, only certain people have agreed to have their text become GFDLed. And what you said seems to confirm that. That's unfortunate; it stops us from copying large chunks of text back and forth between this wiki and other GFDL wikis. Oh well. Thanks for your time Michal. [[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 08:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Add Prominent IRLDB link into the homepage? ==<br />
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The International Roguelike Database ( http://www.roguetemple.com/irldb ) leeches data from roguebasin, providing a searchable database as well as allowing rating the games and adding comments about them. Should it be added at the frontpage?<br />
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http://roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=1476.0<br />
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: Why not? Sounds helpful, useful, and relevant to me. —[[User:Thomas Larsen|Thomas Larsen]] 01:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Completely relevant and should be in the main links. —[[User:5v3nd0ttg|Nathaniel Inman]] 22:36, 4 March 2011 (CST)<br />
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== Previous medals ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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I've got an 7DRL '10 medal (http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Pammpi) wich is signed to my old nickname.<br />
Can you guys transfer it to this account or can I do it on my own? Do you need proofs that it's really mine and if so, how can I prove it?<br />
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I haven't registered to this site previously (or at least I don't think so?:) so they must been taken that nick from my Google groups name. <br />
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Thanks! :) -[[User:Cujoes|Cujoes]]<br />
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: Cujoes, you can edit content as you see fit, especially your own medals. Also, please note that while the page [[Pammpi]] has been created, [[User:Pammpi]] does not exist. --[[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 18:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Hi, thank you. :) I didn't realize there's a single button to transfer text to another page, I should've check that before asking any questions.. anyway, problem solved! =) --[[User:Cujoes|Cujoes]] 19:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: No problem. I can move the old page or delete if you would like. If you prefer to leave it with the redirect, that works as well. --[[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 22:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== [[RogueBasin:Copyrights]] ==<br />
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[[RogueBasin:Copyrights]] is still empty. Will it be filled someday? At least in germany this means all the text is under some Kind of Copyright an can NOT be used freely. I think CC-BY-SA (as used in Wikipedia) would work here too. <br />
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A CC-0 or similair completly free would perhaps a be a bit much for most users here? [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 23:48, 27 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: The problem is caused by previous licenses used by RogueBasin. Partial answer to your question is slightly above in two sections started by Unforgettableid. Core issue is one just cannot slap CC-BY-SA or any other free license on without getting explicit permission from EVERY user of this wiki. This just plain sucks but not much can be done about it.<br />
: I may be mistaken but few guaranteed things one can do include editing this stuff and using it without copying. Unless one can prove that by editing a wiki on MediaWiki engine one automatically agrees to GFDL status quo will persist.<br />
: <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 20:40, 1 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
::it would be possible to say "every edit after $now is licensed under $license", this would make all new pages fall under this license and after enough edits (when there is nothing left of the pages prior to $now) also old pages. <br />
::oh, and editing in an mediawiki does DEFINETLY NOT use any license other than the automatic (c) when there is no other license agreed on and shown. [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 12:11, 5 April 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::Replying to your original post: I just created a [[RogueBasin:Copyrights]] page telling people not to copy large blocks of text from RogueBasin. Thanks for inspiring me to do that. :)<br />
:::Replying to your most recent post: How could you know that the new edits don't include any text copied from non-GFDL revisions? Maybe you could use copying-detecting technology like [http://www.turnitin.com turnitin.com] and some other websites use. An easier way, though, might be to get permission to relicense to CC-BY-SA from the vast majority of the wiki's contributors, and then to move all the text we don't have permission to relicense over to another website.<br />
:::Best regards, [[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 02:36, 11 May 2011 (UTC)</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&diff=24606RogueBasin:Community Portal2011-05-11T02:26:31Z<p>Unforgettableid: Replace page with the following text. "If you're interested in contributing, see Help:Contents#Contribute. To ask questions, visit RogueBasin talk:Community Portal."</p>
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* [[RogueBasin talk:Community Portal#Copyright status of pages edited ever since the wiki stopped telling editors that they GFDL their edits]]<br />
* [[RogueBasin talk:Community Portal#Shorter repost: Are the pages on this wiki GFDL or not?]]<br />
* [[RogueBasin talk:Community Portal#RogueBasin:Copyrights]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=RogueBasin_talk:Community_Portal&diff=23767RogueBasin talk:Community Portal2011-02-27T08:35:02Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Shorter repost: Are the pages on this wiki GFDL or not? */</p>
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== Game Announcements ==<br />
If you have a new game/version/release to announce to the world, Make an edit to the [[News]] page, and please follow the existing format. If you want to generate discussion and receive feedback and comments, make sure to head over to [http://roguetemple.com RogueTemple] and use their forums, as well as [[rgrd]]. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:21, 16 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Link breaks wiki, News at 11 ==<br />
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The following link (from 'dead-end pages') fails to display anything other than nasty error messages. Possibly due to illegal characters in title?<br />
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Other 'bug'ish news. [[SDL]] exists, but searching for SDL will return zero hits. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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The error with Hansjoergs page are not because of illegal characters in the URL. They should be valid even though they look like at least twice encoded in Unicode. There seems to something terrible broken recently with non 7-bit characters. Database update maybe? Try searching for any special character like e.g. '????' (U+00C4 "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS" if it gets mangled). Even the db search bails with an error. --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 15:58, 23 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== All those guides! ==<br />
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Where did all those good guides at http://www.roguelikedevelopment.org/ go? according to the news, the content has been moved to this wiki but I can't find any of those guides! me want's 'em badly!<br />
[[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 11:28, 16 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:Sorry, I meant of course that alot of guides are missing, as least most of the map algorithm stuff previously found on the old site is missing here at the wiki. Anyone got copies of those guides, please? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 14:28, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::And you looked in the map section of [[Articles]]? All the ones I recall are there. Perhaps you can use the wayback machine to calculate which ones seem to be missing? [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 17:12, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::lol, the wayback what..? No, realy, I know there's alot missing from the site. Some examples are the guides written by Mike Anderson (Dungeon-Building Algorithm, Fractal Landscapes) and Radomir "The Sheep" Dopieralski (Recursive LvL Generation) [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 17:52, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::::Look at this URL. It is from www.archive.org, the wayback machine for the Internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20060114055601/http://roguelikedevelopment.org/ but before you go adding all of the articles to the wiki, you should know that there was some effort to move them over, but only if the original authors could be found to give permission. So you should check with an admin here about what to do. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 08:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::::Oh crap, I thought I could just go and add what I managed to find, since it had already been released on the site o.0' Pardon me, I'm too quick sometimes, doing stuff without thinking first. <br /> But, IMHO, not moving over all that stuff just because the original author couldn't be found kinda buggers me, that's just wast of time and good knowledge, stupidlly forcing to "reinvent the wheel". And it buggers me even more, since obvisiouly (spelling?) it can still be found on the web thanks to that wayback machine you're talking about (thanks for that link btw, would've never thought of that). <br /> Thanks for telling me dude, I'll try slowing down/backing off and poke an admin about it before doing anything else.<br /> <br />Anyway, should the "previously missing" [[Dungeon-Building Algorithm]] article I dug up yesterday be removed, or just leave it for now and hope for the better? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 13:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
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::::::Is there any chance of the articles being reposted on the original site until they can be ported here? They're only text documents, and a number of them were very good references. Most of the original files are not stored on wayback machine, so forn ow they are lost for good. [[User:lapoubelle|lapoubelle]] 30 April 2008<br />
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I have spent most of today searching for and collecting all of the articles that were on the old system but not on roguebasin. I was able to recover all but two. Those two and links to the archives are at [[User:Duerig]]. That way they should be safe until we can decide how to handle them. If the admins have a problem with this, I'll host them on my own domain if I have to. Let me know if you can find information on either of the two remaining articles. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 21:53, 1 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Game or project? ==<br />
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Template [[Template:Angband-variant]] asks for status field. Then game entry is added to "status games" category. This works well for stable games and defunct games but fails for alpha, beta and talkie talkie *projects*. Thus any Angband variants which classify themselves as having alpha or beta status do not get included in proper category. Any ideas how to correct that without destroying too much existing work? I would opt for removing status field and adding all variants to categories manually. Other choice is to spilt template into several like it was done with [[Template:Gameinfo]]. What are others opinions on this? <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 16:18, 19 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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: I think the best bet is to split the template like the Gameinfo did. I presume there was a good reason to do that split rather than use the status field cleverly. I don't like people having to manually add the category tag as that will result in people forgetting to categorize the variant at all. --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 05:21, 21 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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:: Foundations are lain. I am going to wait some more time before proceeding to change all Angband variant pages in case better ideas show up or someone has objections. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:03, 25 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== 1krl ==<br />
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We should add this to the wiki, but I'm not sure where.<br />
http://1024brl.googlepages.com/<br />
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== Rule of thumb for new -> old news? ==<br />
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How many months (or how many posts) should be in [[News]] before you should move some to Old News? I would suggest that four months or so is enough as the 'News' section is currently longer than the rest of the Main page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:I think that we should move all news from 2008 to Old News. We actually don't really need the [[News]] page to show news older than a month, as it is intended to show '''new''' releases. I will move all news from 2008 now. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 22:34, 22 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== More bug-ish behaviour - support for unicode/multi-byte characters ==<br />
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I've just noticed that Japanese text typed in my user page spontaneously changed into gibberish (technically 'mojibake' ;-). The interesting point is that '''initially''' it displayed properly, only after a day or two did it turn into unintelligible characters. Similar behaviour can be seen at [[POWDER/Russian translation]]. For test purposes I will now write something in Japanese. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
: My bet is someone used a browser that didnt handle jis/utf or whatever encoding properly and saved it back... your test string is nothing but ?????? to my browser... (ff3.5) [[User:Stu|Stu]] 19:59, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Nope. Because it happens to me and Japanese works just fine with Firefox elsewhere (including other wikis). I should test whether it still happens on the new Mediawiki version. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Testing now ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Nah, it still stuffs up. :-( [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
::: Will see what I can do tonight --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 13:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: I believe it may be down to encoding on the MySQL database - it may need switching to unicode (UTF-8, off the top of my head?) as what is probably happening is that it's being munged into single bytes which make no sense. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 13:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== talkie = pre-alpha / planning ? ==<br />
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The 'talkie' category appears to be a little off compared to the line-up of "alpha, beta, stable". Should I understand it to include games that are pre-alpha / planning or should "pre-alpha" be a new category? <br />
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A significant number of 'alpha' projects include no download. I was under the impression that 'alpha' meant that you could run it and see something even though it might not be a playable game yet. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Yes, I think that games that are in 'alpha' but have no downloads should be moved to 'talkie'. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:23, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Image uploads? ==<br />
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I see that file uploads are disabled. I'd like to be able to upload a few small icons for alpha/beta/stable/defunct (after I find/create them ;-). If I can't do it myself, is there an admin who I could email or something? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:It's not possible to upload files, but you can use images from other sites. Put the image's URL on the page, without any special formatting (look at [[Downfall]] for an example). If you need a site to upload to, I recommend [http://imgur.com/ Imgur]. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:26, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== 'roguelikes' section of Main page. ==<br />
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I think that ''influential'' would be clearer (and less controversial) than ''popular''. There are arguably many recent roguelike games that are more popular than ToME, but few (if any) that have been more influential. <br />
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I suggest that [[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]], [[Roguelike Reviews]], [[Tree of roguelike evolution]], and [[Recently Updated Roguelikes]] be added to the 'inclusion' page [[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]], and the text changed as below:<br />
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<nowiki>= Roguelikes =</nowiki><br />
Many Roguelikes are freely available online. The most <strike>popular</strike> influential are:<br />
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<div style="text-align:center">[[ADOM]] '''·''' [[Angband]] '''·''' [[Crawl]] '''·''' [[NetHack]] '''·''' [[ToME]]</div><br />
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Since the control systems of these Roguelikes are geared towards "expert" players, the novice player may be interested in trying a 'lighter' game like some of the '''[[coffeebreak roguelike]]s''' or just dive in at the deep end and find a '''[[:Category:Roguelike_games|game]]''' to suit you.<strike>. The following may help you find out more: <br />
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*[[:category:roguelike games|Categorized Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Roguelike Reviews]] <br />
*[[Tree of roguelike evolution]]<br />
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== Location instead of Nationality? ==<br />
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In the developer info, I think it would be more fun to have a Location option instead of a Nationality option. With location, people can put in however much information on their location they want. They could type things like "Sacramento, CA, USA" or just "Arizona, USA" or even "France". The Nationality field limits this information purely to the country where the person is from, which in many cases might not be as interesting as the state in that country that the person lives in. <br />
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So, the advantage with using the word Location instead is that it provides people the flexibility to put in however much or little information they want, and it can still contain the exact same information that Nationality does. Also, upgrading is easy because we can just replace all instances of Nationality with Location. Although this might be considered a minor issue because people can enter their state and so on into the Nationality field, the Nationality field still encourages new contributions to contain as little information as possible on the location of the developer. Renaming it Location would encourage them to put in as much information as they wanted to. - [[elig]]<br />
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: I'm not hard against it, but it doesn't sound that great a move. I doubt the excitement would keep you awake at nights if I told you that I live in Wiltshire now but Berkshire before I moved. ;-) States are mostly only going to be interesting if you happen to live in the same country. That said, go ahead and do it if you want, it's no big deal either way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: The biggest problem with this is that every developer would have to change their developer info. It would be better to create a new template with the nationality changed to location, but then some developers would have a "location" field and others would have a "nationality" field, which could be confusing. I don't think it's worth it to change it. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 00:38, 8 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Important links on front page? ==<br />
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What about having some closely related important community links on the front page? There are very few major resources aside from Roguebasin, pretty much just Temple of the Roguelike, the rgrd newsgroup, #rgrd and Temple of the Roguelike's forums. The RGRD links are currently under articles, perhaps for lack of a better place. They're not articles and it seems a little confusing to me to have them under there. Links might be appropriate, but since there are so few other major resources for the roguelike community, why not highlight them directly on the main page? I feel this would really help people who find Roguebasin for the first time to enter the community. At least, I think all these links should be placed in a single location that is easy to access and properly labeled. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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I have now added this to the front page, to show how I think it might look. Feel free to take it off ofcourse if you absolutely hate it, but I think it could be a valuable addition to the front page. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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A few [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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# Although I like "Temple of the Roguelike" it doesn't really need two links.<br />
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# r.g.r.d Newsgroup and R.G.R.D IRC Chatroom could have direct links as well as (instead of?) the links to RogueBasin pages.* <br />
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# angband.oook.cz deserves a mention.<br />
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# You've just stolen the space I wanted to use for the "Featured game section" ;-) (But I can't complain too much as I didn't take the time away from [[Angband/65]] development to feature even one game)<br />
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NOTE: r.g.r.d Newsgroup should probably have a Google groups link - many people won't have a browser that supports things like news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.pocketpc. If there was a browser equivalent for IRC:// I'd probably say the same about that.<br />
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Featured games is a good idea. We can always put it above or below the community links. But it should definitely have a featured games thing on the front page. The other changes are all good, I'll probably just leave the Temple of the Roguelike forum, since this page already has news physically on it. The r.g.r.d. newsgroup should be a direct google link IMO as well. IRC I think it would be better to have a seperate page for, just because there's no easy way to specify an IRC server's address, to my knowledge. I'll also add angband.oook.cz - [[elig]]<br />
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I've also added a temporary space for the future featured Roguelike section. Feel free to remove/edit it of course. Just figured I'd reserve the space :) Also, feel free to put it above the Roguelike community links if you want. Also, what about having the featured roguelike at the very top of the page? Like, in the space where "What is a Roguelike?" is now, with "What is a Roguelike?" right below it? It might be something neat to entice any new visitors to try a Roguelike. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Specific games.. ==<br />
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''"I don't think we should have links to sites about specific games"''<br />
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http://angband.oook.cz/ is not about a single game, it is about an entire genre of roguelike games. As evidenced by the fact that there are 82 *band variants in the [[List of Angband variants]]. There are at least as many posts on variants as on 'vanilla' Angband and frankly it gets more traffic than http://www.roguetemple.com/ by a long way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Okay. From the description of the site, I assumed it was primarily about Angband. I didn't even look at the site. I will re-add it. :) [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:50, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Reorganize site? ==<br />
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Right now, this site serves two main purposes: to describe existing Roguelike games and have articles about creating new Roguelikes. I think that at least for the average user, it might be confusing to have the two "mixed" like they are. For example, I think the news section of the main page should be divided into two sections: games and development tools. What do you think? [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:54, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: I don't think the development tools should be split out of news, but I do agree that something of a reorganisation is needed. The site is, IMO, more accessible for game information than it is for development help. The great majority of game information is in one of two types - 1) Lists and categories, 2) Individual game information. That is basically all that's needed - ways of finding a suitable game efficiently and information on the game itself. <br />
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: Development articles (and related content) are trickier. For one thing I suspect many of the articles may be old fashioned. There are also quite a few articles that are 'locked' (can't be edited). They are spread around between different languages and I think there are big gaps in difficulty level between them. What I think would be great would be if there was a series of articles all in the same language (preferably one accessible to new learners and usable on many platforms) that cover all major aspects of development. Don't worry about having the most efficient algorithms, worry more about understandability and consistency between articles. Make use of stable libraries if appropriate. Basically with the intent that someone starting at the first article and finishing at the last could go from newbie to having made a basic functional roguelike game. That series could form a stable "trunk" and generous inclusion of links to other relevant articles would provide branches off to the details and options that more experienced developers (and those using other languages) will need. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: I think that's a good idea. It might be best to use [[Python]], because it is easy to learn, fast to develop in, and portable. It's slow (some say it's 100 times slower than C++), but as you said, efficiency isn't very important. I have some experience with Python, so I could help write some of the articles. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: As I understand it the latest version has improved quite markedly in speed, hasn't it? <br />
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::: I'm pretty much booked up working on [[Angband/65]] as far as my free time goes up till the end of August so I'm afraid I won't be of much use (and I don't know python). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: Definitely, the game info is far more accessable than the development info. What we're desperately lacking is more information on development, a better organization of that information, and a better way to access that information. I'm not entirely sure how to fix these problems, except for maybe creating a generic Roguelike Development page that is linked to from the front page. Aside from that, I'm not sure. :\ I've thought about adding articles from time to time, but I never know what to name them or where to properly add them. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Library template(s) ==<br />
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I've added [[Template:Library]] and applied it to the pages in category:library. While doing so two points came up to be resolved: <br />
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2. Should [[Roguelike Library For Java]] and [[Roguelike Library For Perl]] be changed to use the library template I added? <br />
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P.S. Feel free to change / or comment on the library template I made. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: IMO all libraries should follow the same format, and I love the alpha beta stable etc. thing. Sounds good to me! - [[elig]]<br />
:: I also like that curses uses a library like template to specify that curses is a series of libraries. [[elig]]<br />
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== Who's minding the store? ==<br />
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That is to say, who is it that does the admin stuff like delete pages in the delete category, pay for the domain name, update the mediawiki version? I'm just asking because it would be a real shame if I came back here one day and it was all 404'ed or something. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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Not sure, might be slashie. I was thinking of just such an awful idea myself recently. Maybe we should start some kind of fund to financially support roguebasin. Erowid for instance has a non-profit donation based organization that pays their bills. Of course, we wouldn't be able to do anything nearly so fancy, but a paypal account and the ability to donate might be nice... Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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:: I just now noticed the PayPal donate button on the lower left side of the page. Is that new? I definitely think it should be given a more prominent place on the website if it is! Maybe a nice spot on the front page, and one on the left right under the logo, maybe. Glad to see this place has a donate button now, though! Everybody donate! :D [[elig]]<br />
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::: That's been there forever. Before everybody donates I think someone should email the address shown and see if you get a reply. (I don't think Bjorn has edited anything here all the time I've been here?). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: This is being discussed at http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413 , thanks for your interest! --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 07:18, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Wiki backup / duplicate? ==<br />
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With the current situation (not sure who runs RogueBasin, not sure who has the admin account for the wiki, out of date mediawiki version) would it be possible for someone to duplicate / backup the wiki content? Worst case it wouldn't all be lost if it goes south. Best case someone might be willing to set up a new host with better spam-protection and less bugs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::I agree, it would be a great benefit to the entire community if we were able to duplicate/mirror this wiki. If anyone could duplicate it, we could set up some mirrors in case the main site ever goes down. Plus, this has the added advantage of independent members of the community being able to download a backup copy. We definitely need an easy way to mirror/download/backup Roguebasin, IMO. [[elig]]<br />
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::: There's a special page for Exporting pages for import to another '''MediaWiki''' wiki. [[Special:Export]]. Not sure how well it works. Or you can ''just'' manually copy each page source. Possibly to a wiki host like PBWorks ??? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::: I have written/grabbed a few scripts to begin automating the backup process and I've also used them to make a complete backup of the roguebasin wiki. Both the scripts and the initial backup are available in a package at: EDIT: Download scripts at http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ /EDIT so grab a copy and keep it just in case. If somebody feels ambitious, they can finish automating the process. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 07:05, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:::: This is awesome, Duerig! This is exactly what we needed! :D Thank you. I'm going to download it right away. [[elig]] Edit: After having downloaded it, this really is EXACTLY what we need. This is fantastic. Everyone should download this. [[elig]]<br />
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::::: Ha-ha, maybe not *everyone* (surely there are bandwidth concerns?). But great news and thanks Duerig. I have just downloaded it and will experiment with how easy it is to set-up elsewhere. (It's not a backup until you've tested the restore process! ;-) I'll report in the Temple of the Roguelike thread. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::::: Given your enthusiasm, I decided to bite the bullet and finish automating the process. Download the scripts and run 'backup.sh' and everything will be done for you including downloading the actual xml files and compressing them into a tarball with the current date. I converted a piece of my webspace into backup storage and I've set up a cron job to make monthly backups and stash them there. Fully automated backup scripts at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup index at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ I plan to leave things running and available until/unless my provider complains. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 09:32, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::::::: Scautura has made the [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3322#new very generous offer] to supply ad-free wiki hosting. Depending on whether we get any replies from Bjorn (and what those replies are) I think it might be a good idea to move RogueBasin. Obviously it will still be a good idea to make regular backups whatever else happens. Otherwise YourWiki looks like a possibility for temporary / emergency backup location. I'll be waiting a while to see how things proceed before doing more. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::::: Duerig comes through once again! This is absolutely amazing stuff, and exactly what we need. Thank you! Now I can start a torrent based on the backups/ directory. This is awesome! :D [[elig]]<br />
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== Weird error? ==<br />
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Every time I search for Bjorn or Bergstrom the search crashes. I was trying to figure out when the new paypal button was added by searching for Bjorn Bergstrom and then seeing when he added it. Unfortunately, it crashes. Any idea why? [[elig]]<br />
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: I've seen this before. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact reason for the problem (or where I wrote about it) but I think it's got something to do with the content of the pages searched for (possibly related to the way non-ascii characters get messed up). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== The Roguebasin torrent! ==<br />
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Here is a torrent for the most recent backup of the Roguebasin. I'll be seeding it at 50kb/s pretty much forever. Remember, seeding this is completely legal and supports the preservation of the Roguebasin, so please seed!<br />
[http://www.mininova.org/tor/2742707 Get the torrent here!]<br />
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::You can also save the copy on [http://www.adrive.com/static/storageplans_basic Adrive] or [http://skydrive.live.com Skydrive] --[[User:Pilotpirx|Pilotpirx]] 11:36, 8 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New spammers ==<br />
Think its time to update the wiki again? or do something with captha or something to lock new users... the spam is coming thick and fast [[User:Stu|Stu]] 17:39, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: It might be best to have an administrator activate each account before it can be used. This would prevent the spam, and there aren't very many new accounts, so it wouldn't be too tedious. Another option would be to disallow accounts with "buy" in the name. We would need an administrator to do either of these, and it would be useful to have more administrators. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:23, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Right its time someone locked new users down until something can be organised. its beyond ridiculous now. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 18:41, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
::: The wiki is currently in a transition period. The old ops had been idle for quite a while (see comments above and linked thread on TotRL). Slash has just recently been given shell access so he can set things up. I believe that he is planning on upgrading the wiki software and take other measures to prevent spam. While he figures out a permanent solution, we should try to keep things as clean as we can. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: Hello people, I was performing the upgrade but I ran into some problems with the PHP version... hope to have it fixed tomorrow -- [[Slash]]<br />
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: New captcha measures have been installed, I hope we will have a better time with spambots now --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 18:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: The spam seems to have slowed a bit, but it definitely has not stopped. Are you using a generic captcha? Perhaps something that requires some basic knowledge of roguelike games would work better (I know the original Dudley's dungeon used Nethack-based questions and I never saw it get spammed.) [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: Revised opinion: This is not working. You either need a different form of captcha or accounts need to be approved by a human. [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Or possibly more sysops able to block IP ranges (on the technical side, are all those 'fullmassage' spammers from the same IP?) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::: Paul Blay has been appointed as a SysOp, about 330 spammers have been deleted --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: I am using "reCaptcha", which is a popular captcha plugin (which may not be a good choice, as popular security measures are the first target for spammers), human approval proved to be clumsy in the past, but if the situation scales we will go that way. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roguebasin mediawiki updated to 1.15.0 ==<br />
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Well, the upgrade is finished. Let's collect all things broken here. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<s>1. I noticed the images can no longer be referred to using only the url, so we will have to fix them up --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s> Fixed --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 00:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== (re)Captcha is broken! (or not) ==<br />
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It doesn't matter what you type, the update goes through anyway. No wonder we've been spammed to heck. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:In theory, reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word, such that there is one word to check against, and one that they are trying to figure out - if the known word is correct, it doesn't matter what the other word is. Sounds like someone's fouled up with the code on their end and neither word matters. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 12:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: "reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word" Oh, I didn't realize that. I'm not sure if it's working or not now. I'll have to check. I just linked 'google' to get a reCapture prompt and it didn't ask for one. o_O???. Oddly reCapture prompts have been appearing when I haven't added any new URLs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I just tested and reCaptcha is working when creating a new account? and there's no way to edit pages if you dont have one... am I missing something obvious? --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think I was misunderstanding the reCapture system. Scautura noted that you only have to get one of the words correct, right? I didn't know that. Before I was 'sysop'ed I was getting a reCapture prompt on all edits that added a new external URL. I was also getting a reCapture prompt on quite a few edits that ''didn't'' add an external URL, but I'm not sure what all that was about. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Community Portal ==<br />
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Unless someone can suggest a reason I shouldn't I'm going to unprotect the [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal] page, remove the redirect and delete the rather useless stub in [[Community Portal Alias]]. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I think that's ok --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 14:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Um... the roguebasin itself has a reason. When Jeff last tried to do it his attempts were thwarted by data base error. I would be surprised and grateful if you somehow managed to make it happen. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Well, I'm back and I finally did it. Now we just need to know what actually goes in a [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal]. :-P [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]] 09:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== NetHack poll news-worthy? ==<br />
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Is the [http://nethack-de.sf.net/poll.html NetHack poll for current and former player] a news-worthy item?<br />
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The news section is labelled 'New Roguelike Releases' so I guess rather not? --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 11:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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[[elig]]: I think usually temple of the roguelike handles news related stuff like that. Although, maybe we should have some kind of a more general news feed on here? What does everyone else think?<br />
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== Template change suggestion for handling released / updated data ==<br />
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In an effort to a) make the data for 'updated' and 'released' more consistent and b) make it easier to handle by the IRLDB I'm going to suggest splitting up the 'updated' and 'released' information into two fields each. One for the date, and one for the relevant version number.<br />
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See [[Brogue]] and [[Template:Game-stable]] for how this could work.<br />
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This would also be a good opportunity to decide on a common date format. I would suggest that <br />
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c) day of month is displayed without the NNth NNst NNrd, etc., notation - saves space.<br />
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For me that gives the prime candidates as ...<br />
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Mar 12, 2009<br />
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Advantage of first option - Arguably looks nicer<br />
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Advantage of second option - Year is first so it will sort nicer in text sorting.<br />
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: [[User:Ido|Ido]] Go for it! 12:02, 13 July 2010<br />
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: If you want a date with the year in front don't do "2009 Mar 12". It looks ugly as hell and is extremely uncommon. The only reasonable leading year format that is also widely used would be ISO 8601: "2009-03-12". --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 10:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright status of pages edited ever since the wiki stopped telling editors that they GFDL their edits ==<br />
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Hi all,<br />
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RogueBasin has sometimes required contributors to release their work under the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GNU Free Documentation License] and sometimes not. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here?<br />
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[[RogueBasin:About]] says this wiki was hosted at [http://roguebasin.swiki.net roguebasin.swiki.net], then [http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net], and now is hosted at [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org].<br />
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I've tried for a while but haven't managed to get the Internet Archive's [http://web.archive.org Wayback Machine] to show me any part of the wiki as it existed at swiki.net. What copyright license did the wiki use back then?<br />
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At t-o-m-e.net, RogueBasin indicated that it was GFDLed. See [http://web.archive.org/web/20060718204357/http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net/index.php/Main_Page the Main Page as it was in mid-2006] for example. At the bottom, it says "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2." When a MediaWiki-based wiki says that, it almost always MediaWiki tells editors that when they click "Save page", they agree to release their contributions under the GFDL. We can safely assume that RogueBasin did so back then.<br />
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Here at roguelikedevelopment.org, RogueBasin has no license information at the bottom of the page, and while I'm editing a page, it only says "Please note that all contributions to RogueBasin may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. ... You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource ... ."<br />
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In [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3305#msg3305 the "Future of RogueBasin" thread at roguetemple.com], Paul Blay wrote "Articles in RogueBasin are those which are under either the 'GNU Free Documentation License 1.2' (most of them) or a modified version that doesn't allow the content to be modified (a handful or two, I guess). There should be no problem with copying them to another site as long as they remain under the same license." I think he meant those articles which were posted to Usenet by a single author then copied here later.<br />
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But many of our pages here, like the [[NetHack]] page and the [[Angband]] page, have been written by many wiki contributors. So, at one point, contributors agreed, when they clicked "Save page", that their work was GFDLed. Later on, further contributors didn't agree to such a thing. The GFDL frowns upon this: it seems to me to require that if you modify a GFDLed work and distribute the modified work (e.g. by saving it on a public wiki server), your changes must be released under the GFDL.<br />
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What's the copyright status of the pages which were once all-GFDL and now are not?<br />
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Cheers, --[[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 4DRL Template ==<br />
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4DRL Template: There is now a [[Template:Game-4drl|game-4drl]] template for use in the entries to the 4DRL challenge! (use this instead of game-stable, game-alpha, game-7drl, etc.) <small>--The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Nolithius]] [[User talk:Nolithius|(talk)]], 17:57, 28 October 2010.</small><br />
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== Shorter repost: Are the pages on this wiki GFDL or not? ==<br />
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This is a shorter repost of my long post above.<br />
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In certain years, RogueBasin has required contributors to release their work under the GFDL open-content license. In other years, RogueBasin hasn't required it. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here: are they GFDL or not?<br />
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Cheers, [[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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: Assume they are not because you cannot divide content that is affected by GFDL from content that is not.<br />
: <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 04:46, 12 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Clearly everyone who's contributed to the wiki's been fine with having their writing go on the wiki. But I figured that since the GFDL requirement wasn't always there, only certain people have agreed to have their text become GFDLed. And what you said seems to confirm that. That's unfortunate; it stops us from copying large chunks of text back and forth between this wiki and other GFDL wikis. Oh well. Thanks for your time Michal. [[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 08:35, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Add Prominent IRLDB link into the homepage? ==<br />
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The International Roguelike Database ( http://www.roguetemple.com/irldb ) leeches data from roguebasin, providing a searchable database as well as allowing rating the games and adding comments about them. Should it be added at the frontpage?<br />
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http://roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=1476.0<br />
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: Why not? Sounds helpful, useful, and relevant to me. —[[User:Thomas Larsen|Thomas Larsen]] 01:05, 3 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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== Previous medals ==<br />
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Hi, <br />
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I've got an 7DRL '10 medal (http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Pammpi) wich is signed to my old nickname.<br />
Can you guys transfer it to this account or can I do it on my own? Do you need proofs that it's really mine and if so, how can I prove it?<br />
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I haven't registered to this site previously (or at least I don't think so?:) so they must been taken that nick from my Google groups name. <br />
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Thanks! :) -[[User:Cujoes|Cujoes]]<br />
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: Cujoes, you can edit content as you see fit, especially your own medals. Also, please note that while the page [[Pammpi]] has been created, [[User:Pammpi]] does not exist. --[[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 18:40, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:: Hi, thank you. :) I didn't realize there's a single button to transfer text to another page, I should've check that before asking any questions.. anyway, problem solved! =) --[[User:Cujoes|Cujoes]] 19:13, 7 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::: No problem. I can move the old page or delete if you would like. If you prefer to leave it with the redirect, that works as well. --[[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 22:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=RogueBasin_talk:Community_Portal&diff=23358RogueBasin talk:Community Portal2011-01-10T20:21:40Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Shorter repost: Are the pages on this wiki GFDL or not? */ edit my own post</p>
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== Game Announcements ==<br />
If you have a new game/version/release to announce to the world, Make an edit to the [[News]] page, and please follow the existing format. If you want to generate discussion and receive feedback and comments, make sure to head over to [http://roguetemple.com RogueTemple] and use their forums, as well as [[rgrd]]. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:21, 16 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Link breaks wiki, News at 11 ==<br />
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The following link (from 'dead-end pages') fails to display anything other than nasty error messages. Possibly due to illegal characters in title?<br />
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http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Hansj%3F%84%E2%80%9A%3F%82%C2%B6rg_Malthener<br />
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Other 'bug'ish news. [[SDL]] exists, but searching for SDL will return zero hits. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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The error with Hansjoergs page are not because of illegal characters in the URL. They should be valid even though they look like at least twice encoded in Unicode. There seems to something terrible broken recently with non 7-bit characters. Database update maybe? Try searching for any special character like e.g. '????' (U+00C4 "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS" if it gets mangled). Even the db search bails with an error. --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 15:58, 23 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== Spambots ==<br />
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There was a small spambot attack recently, dunno how they overrid the spam protection (what is the current spam protection)? I had no luck blocking them via the sysop special pages. Is there any way to delete user accounts?<br />
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--[[User:Slash|Slash]] 01:08, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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I think it may be useful to update MediaWiki software to the latest version. The one that's currently installed is so old, the mind boggles. The current version has captchas and other stuff, and it's much easier to revert vandalism. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:23, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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IIRC Bj????rn set up the latest version when the server translation was performed? Also, this is plain vandalism, not even spam (deleting '+' and everything after a '&', what use would that have?<br />
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:It can't be the latest version. For example when you look at the diff between two revisions, there's no link to edit the revision. This feature was in Wikipedia since I joined it, probably, and that was very long time ago. So, to revert vandalism one has to click three times instead of two, pretty annoying. I don't know, maybe it's configured incorrectly, but it definitely looks very outdated. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:52, 13 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:It's definitely an old version, the [[Special:Version]] page shows as using version 1.3.9 ''(The 1.3.x line was last updated in November 2005)''. The newest release is 1.10.0 although most modern versions of MediaWiki require PHP5 though ''(since version 1.7)''. The latest version that still supports PHP4 is 1.6.10 available [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download here]. 1.6.10 was released on 20th February 2007. -- [[User:Pucechan|Pucechan]] 01:18, 28 May 2007 (CEST)<br />
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::THe Wiki is currently running MediaWiki 1.6.10. Hopefully we won't see any more spam attacks. -- Bjorn 09:50 3 Jul 2007<br />
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There was another spammer, although it could be a person doing it, rather than a bot. It was [[User:Yaxiaexx099|this account]] doing it, and [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Dalhxf&oldid=12449 this] was was what he did.<br />
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Here we go again, looks like the spambots are returning? Three new pages filled with.. something. [[Aldan|Here]], [[Generosity|here]] and [[Nourished|here]], created by three (new?) users in a short succession. Are there any anti-spambot guidelines somewhere, since I'm not sure of what to do, except for reporting? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 23:48, 8 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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:Wonder if there is any way we can give rights to some users to approve new users so we dont have these spambots sign up, or we need to modify the captcha code to stop this crap. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:31, 12 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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::I would suggest try giving a selected few, trusted users the rights to approve new users. The use of CAPTCHAs is kinda useless as of today (well, except for scaring off scriptkiddies), since it's an out of date "security measure" and there's some various techniques to bypass it. It's also a problem for ie, visual impaired people having trouble reading the characters (more info over at wikipedia, for those of you not being convinced it's a crappy technology..). [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 15:50, 23 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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== All those guides! ==<br />
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Where did all those good guides at http://www.roguelikedevelopment.org/ go? according to the news, the content has been moved to this wiki but I can't find any of those guides! me want's 'em badly!<br />
[[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 11:28, 16 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:Sorry, I meant of course that alot of guides are missing, as least most of the map algorithm stuff previously found on the old site is missing here at the wiki. Anyone got copies of those guides, please? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 14:28, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::And you looked in the map section of [[Articles]]? All the ones I recall are there. Perhaps you can use the wayback machine to calculate which ones seem to be missing? [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 17:12, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::lol, the wayback what..? No, realy, I know there's alot missing from the site. Some examples are the guides written by Mike Anderson (Dungeon-Building Algorithm, Fractal Landscapes) and Radomir "The Sheep" Dopieralski (Recursive LvL Generation) [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 17:52, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::::Look at this URL. It is from www.archive.org, the wayback machine for the Internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20060114055601/http://roguelikedevelopment.org/ but before you go adding all of the articles to the wiki, you should know that there was some effort to move them over, but only if the original authors could be found to give permission. So you should check with an admin here about what to do. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 08:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::::Oh crap, I thought I could just go and add what I managed to find, since it had already been released on the site o.0' Pardon me, I'm too quick sometimes, doing stuff without thinking first. <br /> But, IMHO, not moving over all that stuff just because the original author couldn't be found kinda buggers me, that's just wast of time and good knowledge, stupidlly forcing to "reinvent the wheel". And it buggers me even more, since obvisiouly (spelling?) it can still be found on the web thanks to that wayback machine you're talking about (thanks for that link btw, would've never thought of that). <br /> Thanks for telling me dude, I'll try slowing down/backing off and poke an admin about it before doing anything else.<br /> <br />Anyway, should the "previously missing" [[Dungeon-Building Algorithm]] article I dug up yesterday be removed, or just leave it for now and hope for the better? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 13:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
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::::::Is there any chance of the articles being reposted on the original site until they can be ported here? They're only text documents, and a number of them were very good references. Most of the original files are not stored on wayback machine, so forn ow they are lost for good. [[User:lapoubelle|lapoubelle]] 30 April 2008<br />
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I have spent most of today searching for and collecting all of the articles that were on the old system but not on roguebasin. I was able to recover all but two. Those two and links to the archives are at [[User:Duerig]]. That way they should be safe until we can decide how to handle them. If the admins have a problem with this, I'll host them on my own domain if I have to. Let me know if you can find information on either of the two remaining articles. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 21:53, 1 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Game or project? ==<br />
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Template [[Template:Angband-variant]] asks for status field. Then game entry is added to "status games" category. This works well for stable games and defunct games but fails for alpha, beta and talkie talkie *projects*. Thus any Angband variants which classify themselves as having alpha or beta status do not get included in proper category. Any ideas how to correct that without destroying too much existing work? I would opt for removing status field and adding all variants to categories manually. Other choice is to spilt template into several like it was done with [[Template:Gameinfo]]. What are others opinions on this? <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 16:18, 19 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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: I think the best bet is to split the template like the Gameinfo did. I presume there was a good reason to do that split rather than use the status field cleverly. I don't like people having to manually add the category tag as that will result in people forgetting to categorize the variant at all. --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 05:21, 21 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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:: Foundations are lain. I am going to wait some more time before proceeding to change all Angband variant pages in case better ideas show up or someone has objections. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:03, 25 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== 1krl ==<br />
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We should add this to the wiki, but I'm not sure where.<br />
http://1024brl.googlepages.com/<br />
(and a link to the rgrd posts of course.<br />
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== Rule of thumb for new -> old news? ==<br />
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How many months (or how many posts) should be in [[News]] before you should move some to Old News? I would suggest that four months or so is enough as the 'News' section is currently longer than the rest of the Main page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:I think that we should move all news from 2008 to Old News. We actually don't really need the [[News]] page to show news older than a month, as it is intended to show '''new''' releases. I will move all news from 2008 now. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 22:34, 22 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== More bug-ish behaviour - support for unicode/multi-byte characters ==<br />
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I've just noticed that Japanese text typed in my user page spontaneously changed into gibberish (technically 'mojibake' ;-). The interesting point is that '''initially''' it displayed properly, only after a day or two did it turn into unintelligible characters. Similar behaviour can be seen at [[POWDER/Russian translation]]. For test purposes I will now write something in Japanese. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
: My bet is someone used a browser that didnt handle jis/utf or whatever encoding properly and saved it back... your test string is nothing but ?????? to my browser... (ff3.5) [[User:Stu|Stu]] 19:59, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Nope. Because it happens to me and Japanese works just fine with Firefox elsewhere (including other wikis). I should test whether it still happens on the new Mediawiki version. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Testing now ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Nah, it still stuffs up. :-( [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
::: Will see what I can do tonight --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 13:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: I believe it may be down to encoding on the MySQL database - it may need switching to unicode (UTF-8, off the top of my head?) as what is probably happening is that it's being munged into single bytes which make no sense. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 13:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== talkie = pre-alpha / planning ? ==<br />
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The 'talkie' category appears to be a little off compared to the line-up of "alpha, beta, stable". Should I understand it to include games that are pre-alpha / planning or should "pre-alpha" be a new category? <br />
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A significant number of 'alpha' projects include no download. I was under the impression that 'alpha' meant that you could run it and see something even though it might not be a playable game yet. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Yes, I think that games that are in 'alpha' but have no downloads should be moved to 'talkie'. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:23, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Image uploads? ==<br />
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I see that file uploads are disabled. I'd like to be able to upload a few small icons for alpha/beta/stable/defunct (after I find/create them ;-). If I can't do it myself, is there an admin who I could email or something? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:It's not possible to upload files, but you can use images from other sites. Put the image's URL on the page, without any special formatting (look at [[Downfall]] for an example). If you need a site to upload to, I recommend [http://imgur.com/ Imgur]. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:26, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== RGRD Wiki Project ==<br />
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I see this hasn't had any new names added since August 2008. As such perhaps it shouldn't be so prominent in the Contribute section. Maybe ...<br />
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<nowiki>=Contribute=</nowiki><br />
If you'd like to contribute to RogueBasin, simply create an account and log in. Feel very free to edit! We especially need more information added to the [[:category:roguelike games|games pages]] and the [[list of roguelike games|lists]] - if you're a developer, consider updating your game's page, and making sure that it (and you) are included in the relevant lists.<br />
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If you're an experienced developer, consider writing articles about creating Roguelikes. There are many people new to Roguelike development, and they often need help. It's especially helpful to write articles about problems you have experienced yourself. Also you can add your name to the [[RGRD Wiki Project]] (directly, or by posting a message on [[rgrd]] saying how you want to participate). If someone sees a relevant post by you, they'll upload it to this wiki as an [[articles|article]].<br />
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:I think this will be fine. You can go ahead and change it if you want. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:27, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New main page ==<br />
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I like the appearance of the new main page :) --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 05:32, 13 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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I like it too, nice work! I'd like the contribute part to be blue though, [[User:Colonp/maintest]].. Not perfect right now. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 04:17, 17 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== STATUS in game templates ==<br />
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A number of games have |status= lines in the info box, but it does not display anything on the screen. The content is generally a duplicate of the type indicated by the template name (e.g. game-beta is status [[Beta]], etc.)<br />
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Are these lines left over from an earlier set of templates? Can the STATUS information safely be called redundant and removed? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: Yes, it can be safely thrown away if not done yet. It is a leftover from old [[:Template:Gameinfo]] template. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 'roguelikes' section of Main page. ==<br />
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I think that ''influential'' would be clearer (and less controversial) than ''popular''. There are arguably many recent roguelike games that are more popular than ToME, but few (if any) that have been more influential. <br />
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I suggest that [[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]], [[Roguelike Reviews]], [[Tree of roguelike evolution]], and [[Recently Updated Roguelikes]] be added to the 'inclusion' page [[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]], and the text changed as below:<br />
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<nowiki>= Roguelikes =</nowiki><br />
Many Roguelikes are freely available online. The most <strike>popular</strike> influential are:<br />
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<div style="text-align:center">[[ADOM]] '''·''' [[Angband]] '''·''' [[Crawl]] '''·''' [[NetHack]] '''·''' [[ToME]]</div><br />
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Since the control systems of these Roguelikes are geared towards "expert" players, the novice player may be interested in trying a 'lighter' game like some of the '''[[coffeebreak roguelike]]s''' or just dive in at the deep end and find a '''[[:Category:Roguelike_games|game]]''' to suit you.<strike>. The following may help you find out more: <br />
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*[[:category:roguelike games|Categorized Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Roguelike Reviews]] <br />
*[[Tree of roguelike evolution]]<br />
*[[Recently Updated Roguelikes]]</strike><br />
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== Also ... ==<br />
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See [[Talk:List of roguelikes]] for possible replacement for the content of that page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Featured game section? ==<br />
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How about a 'featured game' section (bottom left of main page). Suggested content: Short description, mini-review, link to RogueBasin page and main review (if present). I'd suggest choosing games that have been updated in the last month and are at least 'beta'. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: Well, I've done one. Maybe someone will replace it with a different game in a week or two. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Looks great! I actually have a C64 in a joystick system that has this game on it. [[User:Elig|elig]]<br />
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: Thanks to [[User:Ido|Ido]] for putting up a new featured roguelike. I was just thinking it was about time I got around to doing that ;-) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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An archive of former featured roguelikes would be nice. Not quite sure how the layout of such a page should be though. Maybe just make seperate pages for each and add category:featured.. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 23:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Colonp|ColorP]]: I've created [[:Category:Featured Roguelikes]] with a backlog of featured roguelikes by date, and attached that category to all roguelikes that have been featured. If you'd like to see the previous featured roguelike pages, take look at the history of [[Featured roguelike]]. Cheers! [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 04:44, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I didn't think of looking at the history.. Nice work! I've added a link to the category on the front page. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 16:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Location instead of Nationality? ==<br />
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In the developer info, I think it would be more fun to have a Location option instead of a Nationality option. With location, people can put in however much information on their location they want. They could type things like "Sacramento, CA, USA" or just "Arizona, USA" or even "France". The Nationality field limits this information purely to the country where the person is from, which in many cases might not be as interesting as the state in that country that the person lives in. <br />
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So, the advantage with using the word Location instead is that it provides people the flexibility to put in however much or little information they want, and it can still contain the exact same information that Nationality does. Also, upgrading is easy because we can just replace all instances of Nationality with Location. Although this might be considered a minor issue because people can enter their state and so on into the Nationality field, the Nationality field still encourages new contributions to contain as little information as possible on the location of the developer. Renaming it Location would encourage them to put in as much information as they wanted to. - [[elig]]<br />
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: I'm not hard against it, but it doesn't sound that great a move. I doubt the excitement would keep you awake at nights if I told you that I live in Wiltshire now but Berkshire before I moved. ;-) States are mostly only going to be interesting if you happen to live in the same country. That said, go ahead and do it if you want, it's no big deal either way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: The biggest problem with this is that every developer would have to change their developer info. It would be better to create a new template with the nationality changed to location, but then some developers would have a "location" field and others would have a "nationality" field, which could be confusing. I don't think it's worth it to change it. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 00:38, 8 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Important links on front page? ==<br />
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What about having some closely related important community links on the front page? There are very few major resources aside from Roguebasin, pretty much just Temple of the Roguelike, the rgrd newsgroup, #rgrd and Temple of the Roguelike's forums. The RGRD links are currently under articles, perhaps for lack of a better place. They're not articles and it seems a little confusing to me to have them under there. Links might be appropriate, but since there are so few other major resources for the roguelike community, why not highlight them directly on the main page? I feel this would really help people who find Roguebasin for the first time to enter the community. At least, I think all these links should be placed in a single location that is easy to access and properly labeled. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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I have now added this to the front page, to show how I think it might look. Feel free to take it off ofcourse if you absolutely hate it, but I think it could be a valuable addition to the front page. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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A few [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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# Although I like "Temple of the Roguelike" it doesn't really need two links.<br />
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# r.g.r.d Newsgroup and R.G.R.D IRC Chatroom could have direct links as well as (instead of?) the links to RogueBasin pages.* <br />
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# angband.oook.cz deserves a mention.<br />
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# You've just stolen the space I wanted to use for the "Featured game section" ;-) (But I can't complain too much as I didn't take the time away from [[Angband/65]] development to feature even one game)<br />
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NOTE: r.g.r.d Newsgroup should probably have a Google groups link - many people won't have a browser that supports things like news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.pocketpc. If there was a browser equivalent for IRC:// I'd probably say the same about that.<br />
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Also note that there's a "links" link at the top of the page. I'd suggest that page could be made more user-friendly and updated.<br />
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Featured games is a good idea. We can always put it above or below the community links. But it should definitely have a featured games thing on the front page. The other changes are all good, I'll probably just leave the Temple of the Roguelike forum, since this page already has news physically on it. The r.g.r.d. newsgroup should be a direct google link IMO as well. IRC I think it would be better to have a seperate page for, just because there's no easy way to specify an IRC server's address, to my knowledge. I'll also add angband.oook.cz - [[elig]]<br />
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I've also added a temporary space for the future featured Roguelike section. Feel free to remove/edit it of course. Just figured I'd reserve the space :) Also, feel free to put it above the Roguelike community links if you want. Also, what about having the featured roguelike at the very top of the page? Like, in the space where "What is a Roguelike?" is now, with "What is a Roguelike?" right below it? It might be something neat to entice any new visitors to try a Roguelike. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Specific games.. ==<br />
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''"I don't think we should have links to sites about specific games"''<br />
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http://angband.oook.cz/ is not about a single game, it is about an entire genre of roguelike games. As evidenced by the fact that there are 82 *band variants in the [[List of Angband variants]]. There are at least as many posts on variants as on 'vanilla' Angband and frankly it gets more traffic than http://www.roguetemple.com/ by a long way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Okay. From the description of the site, I assumed it was primarily about Angband. I didn't even look at the site. I will re-add it. :) [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:50, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Reorganize site? ==<br />
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Right now, this site serves two main purposes: to describe existing Roguelike games and have articles about creating new Roguelikes. I think that at least for the average user, it might be confusing to have the two "mixed" like they are. For example, I think the news section of the main page should be divided into two sections: games and development tools. What do you think? [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:54, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: I don't think the development tools should be split out of news, but I do agree that something of a reorganisation is needed. The site is, IMO, more accessible for game information than it is for development help. The great majority of game information is in one of two types - 1) Lists and categories, 2) Individual game information. That is basically all that's needed - ways of finding a suitable game efficiently and information on the game itself. <br />
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: Development articles (and related content) are trickier. For one thing I suspect many of the articles may be old fashioned. There are also quite a few articles that are 'locked' (can't be edited). They are spread around between different languages and I think there are big gaps in difficulty level between them. What I think would be great would be if there was a series of articles all in the same language (preferably one accessible to new learners and usable on many platforms) that cover all major aspects of development. Don't worry about having the most efficient algorithms, worry more about understandability and consistency between articles. Make use of stable libraries if appropriate. Basically with the intent that someone starting at the first article and finishing at the last could go from newbie to having made a basic functional roguelike game. That series could form a stable "trunk" and generous inclusion of links to other relevant articles would provide branches off to the details and options that more experienced developers (and those using other languages) will need. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: I think that's a good idea. It might be best to use [[Python]], because it is easy to learn, fast to develop in, and portable. It's slow (some say it's 100 times slower than C++), but as you said, efficiency isn't very important. I have some experience with Python, so I could help write some of the articles. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: As I understand it the latest version has improved quite markedly in speed, hasn't it? <br />
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::: I'm pretty much booked up working on [[Angband/65]] as far as my free time goes up till the end of August so I'm afraid I won't be of much use (and I don't know python). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: Definitely, the game info is far more accessable than the development info. What we're desperately lacking is more information on development, a better organization of that information, and a better way to access that information. I'm not entirely sure how to fix these problems, except for maybe creating a generic Roguelike Development page that is linked to from the front page. Aside from that, I'm not sure. :\ I've thought about adding articles from time to time, but I never know what to name them or where to properly add them. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Library template(s) ==<br />
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I've added [[Template:Library]] and applied it to the pages in category:library. While doing so two points came up to be resolved: <br />
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1. Should there be -alpha, -beta, -stable and -defunct divisions for libraries?<br />
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2. Should [[Roguelike Library For Java]] and [[Roguelike Library For Perl]] be changed to use the library template I added? <br />
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P.S. Feel free to change / or comment on the library template I made. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: IMO all libraries should follow the same format, and I love the alpha beta stable etc. thing. Sounds good to me! - [[elig]]<br />
:: I also like that curses uses a library like template to specify that curses is a series of libraries. [[elig]]<br />
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== Who's minding the store? ==<br />
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That is to say, who is it that does the admin stuff like delete pages in the delete category, pay for the domain name, update the mediawiki version? I'm just asking because it would be a real shame if I came back here one day and it was all 404'ed or something. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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Not sure, might be slashie. I was thinking of just such an awful idea myself recently. Maybe we should start some kind of fund to financially support roguebasin. Erowid for instance has a non-profit donation based organization that pays their bills. Of course, we wouldn't be able to do anything nearly so fancy, but a paypal account and the ability to donate might be nice... Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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:: I just now noticed the PayPal donate button on the lower left side of the page. Is that new? I definitely think it should be given a more prominent place on the website if it is! Maybe a nice spot on the front page, and one on the left right under the logo, maybe. Glad to see this place has a donate button now, though! Everybody donate! :D [[elig]]<br />
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::: That's been there forever. Before everybody donates I think someone should email the address shown and see if you get a reply. (I don't think Bjorn has edited anything here all the time I've been here?). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: This is being discussed at http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413 , thanks for your interest! --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 07:18, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Wiki backup / duplicate? ==<br />
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With the current situation (not sure who runs RogueBasin, not sure who has the admin account for the wiki, out of date mediawiki version) would it be possible for someone to duplicate / backup the wiki content? Worst case it wouldn't all be lost if it goes south. Best case someone might be willing to set up a new host with better spam-protection and less bugs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::I agree, it would be a great benefit to the entire community if we were able to duplicate/mirror this wiki. If anyone could duplicate it, we could set up some mirrors in case the main site ever goes down. Plus, this has the added advantage of independent members of the community being able to download a backup copy. We definitely need an easy way to mirror/download/backup Roguebasin, IMO. [[elig]]<br />
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::: There's a special page for Exporting pages for import to another '''MediaWiki''' wiki. [[Special:Export]]. Not sure how well it works. Or you can ''just'' manually copy each page source. Possibly to a wiki host like PBWorks ??? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::: I have written/grabbed a few scripts to begin automating the backup process and I've also used them to make a complete backup of the roguebasin wiki. Both the scripts and the initial backup are available in a package at: EDIT: Download scripts at http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ /EDIT so grab a copy and keep it just in case. If somebody feels ambitious, they can finish automating the process. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 07:05, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:::: This is awesome, Duerig! This is exactly what we needed! :D Thank you. I'm going to download it right away. [[elig]] Edit: After having downloaded it, this really is EXACTLY what we need. This is fantastic. Everyone should download this. [[elig]]<br />
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::::: Ha-ha, maybe not *everyone* (surely there are bandwidth concerns?). But great news and thanks Duerig. I have just downloaded it and will experiment with how easy it is to set-up elsewhere. (It's not a backup until you've tested the restore process! ;-) I'll report in the Temple of the Roguelike thread. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::::: Given your enthusiasm, I decided to bite the bullet and finish automating the process. Download the scripts and run 'backup.sh' and everything will be done for you including downloading the actual xml files and compressing them into a tarball with the current date. I converted a piece of my webspace into backup storage and I've set up a cron job to make monthly backups and stash them there. Fully automated backup scripts at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup index at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ I plan to leave things running and available until/unless my provider complains. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 09:32, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::::::: Scautura has made the [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3322#new very generous offer] to supply ad-free wiki hosting. Depending on whether we get any replies from Bjorn (and what those replies are) I think it might be a good idea to move RogueBasin. Obviously it will still be a good idea to make regular backups whatever else happens. Otherwise YourWiki looks like a possibility for temporary / emergency backup location. I'll be waiting a while to see how things proceed before doing more. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::::: Duerig comes through once again! This is absolutely amazing stuff, and exactly what we need. Thank you! Now I can start a torrent based on the backups/ directory. This is awesome! :D [[elig]]<br />
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== Weird error? ==<br />
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Every time I search for Bjorn or Bergstrom the search crashes. I was trying to figure out when the new paypal button was added by searching for Bjorn Bergstrom and then seeing when he added it. Unfortunately, it crashes. Any idea why? [[elig]]<br />
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: I've seen this before. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact reason for the problem (or where I wrote about it) but I think it's got something to do with the content of the pages searched for (possibly related to the way non-ascii characters get messed up). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== The Roguebasin torrent! ==<br />
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Here is a torrent for the most recent backup of the Roguebasin. I'll be seeding it at 50kb/s pretty much forever. Remember, seeding this is completely legal and supports the preservation of the Roguebasin, so please seed!<br />
[http://www.mininova.org/tor/2742707 Get the torrent here!]<br />
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::You can also save the copy on [http://www.adrive.com/static/storageplans_basic Adrive] or [http://skydrive.live.com Skydrive] --[[User:Pilotpirx|Pilotpirx]] 11:36, 8 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New spammers ==<br />
Think its time to update the wiki again? or do something with captha or something to lock new users... the spam is coming thick and fast [[User:Stu|Stu]] 17:39, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: It might be best to have an administrator activate each account before it can be used. This would prevent the spam, and there aren't very many new accounts, so it wouldn't be too tedious. Another option would be to disallow accounts with "buy" in the name. We would need an administrator to do either of these, and it would be useful to have more administrators. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:23, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Right its time someone locked new users down until something can be organised. its beyond ridiculous now. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 18:41, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
::: The wiki is currently in a transition period. The old ops had been idle for quite a while (see comments above and linked thread on TotRL). Slash has just recently been given shell access so he can set things up. I believe that he is planning on upgrading the wiki software and take other measures to prevent spam. While he figures out a permanent solution, we should try to keep things as clean as we can. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: Hello people, I was performing the upgrade but I ran into some problems with the PHP version... hope to have it fixed tomorrow -- [[Slash]]<br />
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: New captcha measures have been installed, I hope we will have a better time with spambots now --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 18:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: The spam seems to have slowed a bit, but it definitely has not stopped. Are you using a generic captcha? Perhaps something that requires some basic knowledge of roguelike games would work better (I know the original Dudley's dungeon used Nethack-based questions and I never saw it get spammed.) [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: Revised opinion: This is not working. You either need a different form of captcha or accounts need to be approved by a human. [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Or possibly more sysops able to block IP ranges (on the technical side, are all those 'fullmassage' spammers from the same IP?) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::: Paul Blay has been appointed as a SysOp, about 330 spammers have been deleted --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: I am using "reCaptcha", which is a popular captcha plugin (which may not be a good choice, as popular security measures are the first target for spammers), human approval proved to be clumsy in the past, but if the situation scales we will go that way. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roguebasin mediawiki updated to 1.15.0 ==<br />
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Well, the upgrade is finished. Let's collect all things broken here. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<s>1. I noticed the images can no longer be referred to using only the url, so we will have to fix them up --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s> Fixed --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 00:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== (re)Captcha is broken! (or not) ==<br />
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It doesn't matter what you type, the update goes through anyway. No wonder we've been spammed to heck. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:In theory, reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word, such that there is one word to check against, and one that they are trying to figure out - if the known word is correct, it doesn't matter what the other word is. Sounds like someone's fouled up with the code on their end and neither word matters. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 12:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: "reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word" Oh, I didn't realize that. I'm not sure if it's working or not now. I'll have to check. I just linked 'google' to get a reCapture prompt and it didn't ask for one. o_O???. Oddly reCapture prompts have been appearing when I haven't added any new URLs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I just tested and reCaptcha is working when creating a new account? and there's no way to edit pages if you dont have one... am I missing something obvious? --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think I was misunderstanding the reCapture system. Scautura noted that you only have to get one of the words correct, right? I didn't know that. Before I was 'sysop'ed I was getting a reCapture prompt on all edits that added a new external URL. I was also getting a reCapture prompt on quite a few edits that ''didn't'' add an external URL, but I'm not sure what all that was about. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Community Portal ==<br />
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Unless someone can suggest a reason I shouldn't I'm going to unprotect the [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal] page, remove the redirect and delete the rather useless stub in [[Community Portal Alias]]. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I think that's ok --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 14:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Um... the roguebasin itself has a reason. When Jeff last tried to do it his attempts were thwarted by data base error. I would be surprised and grateful if you somehow managed to make it happen. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Well, I'm back and I finally did it. Now we just need to know what actually goes in a [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal]. :-P [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]] 09:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== NetHack poll news-worthy? ==<br />
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Is the [http://nethack-de.sf.net/poll.html NetHack poll for current and former player] a news-worthy item?<br />
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The news section is labelled 'New Roguelike Releases' so I guess rather not? --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 11:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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[[elig]]: I think usually temple of the roguelike handles news related stuff like that. Although, maybe we should have some kind of a more general news feed on here? What does everyone else think?<br />
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== Template change suggestion for handling released / updated data ==<br />
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In an effort to a) make the data for 'updated' and 'released' more consistent and b) make it easier to handle by the IRLDB I'm going to suggest splitting up the 'updated' and 'released' information into two fields each. One for the date, and one for the relevant version number.<br />
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See [[Brogue]] and [[Template:Game-stable]] for how this could work.<br />
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This would also be a good opportunity to decide on a common date format. I would suggest that <br />
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Advantage of first option - Arguably looks nicer<br />
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Advantage of second option - Year is first so it will sort nicer in text sorting.<br />
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: [[User:Ido|Ido]] Go for it! 12:02, 13 July 2010<br />
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: If you want a date with the year in front don't do "2009 Mar 12". It looks ugly as hell and is extremely uncommon. The only reasonable leading year format that is also widely used would be ISO 8601: "2009-03-12". --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 10:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Large amount of new accounts? ==<br />
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It seems a large number of new accounts have been created today (12 September 2010). All these accounts seem to have no edits. Does anyone know about this? It looks strange. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks like the start of a spambot invasion. Personally I would remove all these. (Note how they start to look like normal usenames, with some additional random chars at the end).--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 20:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Looking at the [[Special:Log/newusers|user creation log]], it seems that usernames of that format have been created since 6 August. Therefore, this appears to be a planned invasion, so I think we'll have to act quickly to get rid of the accounts (I predict it will happen around October, because the first account was made on 6/7/8 August, then 2/3/11/12 September). The order of the text in the names seems to be: randomly generated username (possibly a fantasy random name generator?), then 4-11 random characters. Most of these accounts are easy to spot, because their contribs link is red in the log. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::To me it looks more like ongoing invasion. These accounts do not make much spam because captcha seems to prevent it most of the time. Still it would not hurt to delete them.<br />
:::<b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::It appears that the spammers have started making new pages. Fortunately [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] has deleted these so far. Deleting these spam accounts and blocking the IP of those accounts is a good idea right now. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I'm working on getting Bureaucrat access so that I can administer users and eradicate the spammers. For now, I'll keep deleting their posts as they pop up. [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 20:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright status of pages edited ever since the wiki stopped telling editors that they GFDL their edits ==<br />
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Hi all,<br />
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RogueBasin has sometimes required contributors to release their work under the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GNU Free Documentation License] and sometimes not. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here?<br />
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[[RogueBasin:About]] says this wiki was hosted at [http://roguebasin.swiki.net roguebasin.swiki.net], then [http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net], and now is hosted at [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org].<br />
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I've tried for a while but haven't managed to get the Internet Archive's [http://web.archive.org Wayback Machine] to show me any part of the wiki as it existed at swiki.net. What copyright license did the wiki use back then?<br />
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At t-o-m-e.net, RogueBasin indicated that it was GFDLed. See [http://web.archive.org/web/20060718204357/http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net/index.php/Main_Page the Main Page as it was in mid-2006] for example. At the bottom, it says "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2." When a MediaWiki-based wiki says that, it almost always MediaWiki tells editors that when they click "Save page", they agree to release their contributions under the GFDL. We can safely assume that RogueBasin did so back then.<br />
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Here at roguelikedevelopment.org, RogueBasin has no license information at the bottom of the page, and while I'm editing a page, it only says "Please note that all contributions to RogueBasin may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. ... You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource ... ."<br />
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In [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3305#msg3305 the "Future of RogueBasin" thread at roguetemple.com], Paul Blay wrote "Articles in RogueBasin are those which are under either the 'GNU Free Documentation License 1.2' (most of them) or a modified version that doesn't allow the content to be modified (a handful or two, I guess). There should be no problem with copying them to another site as long as they remain under the same license." I think he meant those articles which were posted to Usenet by a single author then copied here later.<br />
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But many of our pages here, like the [[NetHack]] page and the [[Angband]] page, have been written by many wiki contributors. So, at one point, contributors agreed, when they clicked "Save page", that their work was GFDLed. Later on, further contributors didn't agree to such a thing. The GFDL frowns upon this: it seems to me to require that if you modify a GFDLed work and distribute the modified work (e.g. by saving it on a public wiki server), your changes must be released under the GFDL.<br />
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What's the copyright status of the pages which were once all-GFDL and now are not?<br />
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Cheers, --[[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 4DRL Template ==<br />
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4DRL Template: There is now a [[Template:Game-4drl|game-4drl]] template for use in the entries to the 4DRL challenge! (use this instead of game-stable, game-alpha, game-7drl, etc.) <small>--The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Nolithius]] [[User talk:Nolithius|(talk)]], 17:57, 28 October 2010.</small><br />
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== Shorter repost: Are the pages on this wiki GFDL or not? ==<br />
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This is a shorter repost of my long post above.<br />
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In certain years, RogueBasin has required contributors to release their work under the GFDL open-content license. In other years, RogueBasin hasn't required it. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here: are they GFDL or not?<br />
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Cheers, [[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=RogueBasin_talk:Community_Portal&diff=23357RogueBasin talk:Community Portal2011-01-10T20:19:48Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Shorter repost: Are the pages on this wiki GFDL or not? */ new section</p>
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== Game Announcements ==<br />
If you have a new game/version/release to announce to the world, Make an edit to the [[News]] page, and please follow the existing format. If you want to generate discussion and receive feedback and comments, make sure to head over to [http://roguetemple.com RogueTemple] and use their forums, as well as [[rgrd]]. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:21, 16 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Link breaks wiki, News at 11 ==<br />
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The following link (from 'dead-end pages') fails to display anything other than nasty error messages. Possibly due to illegal characters in title?<br />
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http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Hansj%3F%84%E2%80%9A%3F%82%C2%B6rg_Malthener<br />
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Other 'bug'ish news. [[SDL]] exists, but searching for SDL will return zero hits. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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The error with Hansjoergs page are not because of illegal characters in the URL. They should be valid even though they look like at least twice encoded in Unicode. There seems to something terrible broken recently with non 7-bit characters. Database update maybe? Try searching for any special character like e.g. '????' (U+00C4 "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS" if it gets mangled). Even the db search bails with an error. --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 15:58, 23 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== Spambots ==<br />
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There was a small spambot attack recently, dunno how they overrid the spam protection (what is the current spam protection)? I had no luck blocking them via the sysop special pages. Is there any way to delete user accounts?<br />
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--[[User:Slash|Slash]] 01:08, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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I think it may be useful to update MediaWiki software to the latest version. The one that's currently installed is so old, the mind boggles. The current version has captchas and other stuff, and it's much easier to revert vandalism. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:23, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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IIRC Bj????rn set up the latest version when the server translation was performed? Also, this is plain vandalism, not even spam (deleting '+' and everything after a '&', what use would that have?<br />
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:It can't be the latest version. For example when you look at the diff between two revisions, there's no link to edit the revision. This feature was in Wikipedia since I joined it, probably, and that was very long time ago. So, to revert vandalism one has to click three times instead of two, pretty annoying. I don't know, maybe it's configured incorrectly, but it definitely looks very outdated. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:52, 13 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:It's definitely an old version, the [[Special:Version]] page shows as using version 1.3.9 ''(The 1.3.x line was last updated in November 2005)''. The newest release is 1.10.0 although most modern versions of MediaWiki require PHP5 though ''(since version 1.7)''. The latest version that still supports PHP4 is 1.6.10 available [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download here]. 1.6.10 was released on 20th February 2007. -- [[User:Pucechan|Pucechan]] 01:18, 28 May 2007 (CEST)<br />
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::THe Wiki is currently running MediaWiki 1.6.10. Hopefully we won't see any more spam attacks. -- Bjorn 09:50 3 Jul 2007<br />
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There was another spammer, although it could be a person doing it, rather than a bot. It was [[User:Yaxiaexx099|this account]] doing it, and [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Dalhxf&oldid=12449 this] was was what he did.<br />
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Here we go again, looks like the spambots are returning? Three new pages filled with.. something. [[Aldan|Here]], [[Generosity|here]] and [[Nourished|here]], created by three (new?) users in a short succession. Are there any anti-spambot guidelines somewhere, since I'm not sure of what to do, except for reporting? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 23:48, 8 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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:Wonder if there is any way we can give rights to some users to approve new users so we dont have these spambots sign up, or we need to modify the captcha code to stop this crap. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:31, 12 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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::I would suggest try giving a selected few, trusted users the rights to approve new users. The use of CAPTCHAs is kinda useless as of today (well, except for scaring off scriptkiddies), since it's an out of date "security measure" and there's some various techniques to bypass it. It's also a problem for ie, visual impaired people having trouble reading the characters (more info over at wikipedia, for those of you not being convinced it's a crappy technology..). [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 15:50, 23 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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== All those guides! ==<br />
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Where did all those good guides at http://www.roguelikedevelopment.org/ go? according to the news, the content has been moved to this wiki but I can't find any of those guides! me want's 'em badly!<br />
[[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 11:28, 16 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:Sorry, I meant of course that alot of guides are missing, as least most of the map algorithm stuff previously found on the old site is missing here at the wiki. Anyone got copies of those guides, please? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 14:28, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::And you looked in the map section of [[Articles]]? All the ones I recall are there. Perhaps you can use the wayback machine to calculate which ones seem to be missing? [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 17:12, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::lol, the wayback what..? No, realy, I know there's alot missing from the site. Some examples are the guides written by Mike Anderson (Dungeon-Building Algorithm, Fractal Landscapes) and Radomir "The Sheep" Dopieralski (Recursive LvL Generation) [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 17:52, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::::Look at this URL. It is from www.archive.org, the wayback machine for the Internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20060114055601/http://roguelikedevelopment.org/ but before you go adding all of the articles to the wiki, you should know that there was some effort to move them over, but only if the original authors could be found to give permission. So you should check with an admin here about what to do. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 08:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::::Oh crap, I thought I could just go and add what I managed to find, since it had already been released on the site o.0' Pardon me, I'm too quick sometimes, doing stuff without thinking first. <br /> But, IMHO, not moving over all that stuff just because the original author couldn't be found kinda buggers me, that's just wast of time and good knowledge, stupidlly forcing to "reinvent the wheel". And it buggers me even more, since obvisiouly (spelling?) it can still be found on the web thanks to that wayback machine you're talking about (thanks for that link btw, would've never thought of that). <br /> Thanks for telling me dude, I'll try slowing down/backing off and poke an admin about it before doing anything else.<br /> <br />Anyway, should the "previously missing" [[Dungeon-Building Algorithm]] article I dug up yesterday be removed, or just leave it for now and hope for the better? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 13:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
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::::::Is there any chance of the articles being reposted on the original site until they can be ported here? They're only text documents, and a number of them were very good references. Most of the original files are not stored on wayback machine, so forn ow they are lost for good. [[User:lapoubelle|lapoubelle]] 30 April 2008<br />
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I have spent most of today searching for and collecting all of the articles that were on the old system but not on roguebasin. I was able to recover all but two. Those two and links to the archives are at [[User:Duerig]]. That way they should be safe until we can decide how to handle them. If the admins have a problem with this, I'll host them on my own domain if I have to. Let me know if you can find information on either of the two remaining articles. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 21:53, 1 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Game or project? ==<br />
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Template [[Template:Angband-variant]] asks for status field. Then game entry is added to "status games" category. This works well for stable games and defunct games but fails for alpha, beta and talkie talkie *projects*. Thus any Angband variants which classify themselves as having alpha or beta status do not get included in proper category. Any ideas how to correct that without destroying too much existing work? I would opt for removing status field and adding all variants to categories manually. Other choice is to spilt template into several like it was done with [[Template:Gameinfo]]. What are others opinions on this? <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 16:18, 19 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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: I think the best bet is to split the template like the Gameinfo did. I presume there was a good reason to do that split rather than use the status field cleverly. I don't like people having to manually add the category tag as that will result in people forgetting to categorize the variant at all. --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 05:21, 21 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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:: Foundations are lain. I am going to wait some more time before proceeding to change all Angband variant pages in case better ideas show up or someone has objections. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:03, 25 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== 1krl ==<br />
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We should add this to the wiki, but I'm not sure where.<br />
http://1024brl.googlepages.com/<br />
(and a link to the rgrd posts of course.<br />
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== Rule of thumb for new -> old news? ==<br />
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How many months (or how many posts) should be in [[News]] before you should move some to Old News? I would suggest that four months or so is enough as the 'News' section is currently longer than the rest of the Main page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:I think that we should move all news from 2008 to Old News. We actually don't really need the [[News]] page to show news older than a month, as it is intended to show '''new''' releases. I will move all news from 2008 now. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 22:34, 22 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== More bug-ish behaviour - support for unicode/multi-byte characters ==<br />
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I've just noticed that Japanese text typed in my user page spontaneously changed into gibberish (technically 'mojibake' ;-). The interesting point is that '''initially''' it displayed properly, only after a day or two did it turn into unintelligible characters. Similar behaviour can be seen at [[POWDER/Russian translation]]. For test purposes I will now write something in Japanese. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
: My bet is someone used a browser that didnt handle jis/utf or whatever encoding properly and saved it back... your test string is nothing but ?????? to my browser... (ff3.5) [[User:Stu|Stu]] 19:59, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Nope. Because it happens to me and Japanese works just fine with Firefox elsewhere (including other wikis). I should test whether it still happens on the new Mediawiki version. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Testing now ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Nah, it still stuffs up. :-( [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
::: Will see what I can do tonight --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 13:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: I believe it may be down to encoding on the MySQL database - it may need switching to unicode (UTF-8, off the top of my head?) as what is probably happening is that it's being munged into single bytes which make no sense. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 13:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== talkie = pre-alpha / planning ? ==<br />
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The 'talkie' category appears to be a little off compared to the line-up of "alpha, beta, stable". Should I understand it to include games that are pre-alpha / planning or should "pre-alpha" be a new category? <br />
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A significant number of 'alpha' projects include no download. I was under the impression that 'alpha' meant that you could run it and see something even though it might not be a playable game yet. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Yes, I think that games that are in 'alpha' but have no downloads should be moved to 'talkie'. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:23, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Image uploads? ==<br />
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I see that file uploads are disabled. I'd like to be able to upload a few small icons for alpha/beta/stable/defunct (after I find/create them ;-). If I can't do it myself, is there an admin who I could email or something? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:It's not possible to upload files, but you can use images from other sites. Put the image's URL on the page, without any special formatting (look at [[Downfall]] for an example). If you need a site to upload to, I recommend [http://imgur.com/ Imgur]. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:26, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== RGRD Wiki Project ==<br />
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I see this hasn't had any new names added since August 2008. As such perhaps it shouldn't be so prominent in the Contribute section. Maybe ...<br />
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<nowiki>=Contribute=</nowiki><br />
If you'd like to contribute to RogueBasin, simply create an account and log in. Feel very free to edit! We especially need more information added to the [[:category:roguelike games|games pages]] and the [[list of roguelike games|lists]] - if you're a developer, consider updating your game's page, and making sure that it (and you) are included in the relevant lists.<br />
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If you're an experienced developer, consider writing articles about creating Roguelikes. There are many people new to Roguelike development, and they often need help. It's especially helpful to write articles about problems you have experienced yourself. Also you can add your name to the [[RGRD Wiki Project]] (directly, or by posting a message on [[rgrd]] saying how you want to participate). If someone sees a relevant post by you, they'll upload it to this wiki as an [[articles|article]].<br />
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[[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:I think this will be fine. You can go ahead and change it if you want. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:27, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New main page ==<br />
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I like the appearance of the new main page :) --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 05:32, 13 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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I like it too, nice work! I'd like the contribute part to be blue though, [[User:Colonp/maintest]].. Not perfect right now. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 04:17, 17 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== STATUS in game templates ==<br />
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A number of games have |status= lines in the info box, but it does not display anything on the screen. The content is generally a duplicate of the type indicated by the template name (e.g. game-beta is status [[Beta]], etc.)<br />
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Are these lines left over from an earlier set of templates? Can the STATUS information safely be called redundant and removed? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: Yes, it can be safely thrown away if not done yet. It is a leftover from old [[:Template:Gameinfo]] template. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 'roguelikes' section of Main page. ==<br />
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I think that ''influential'' would be clearer (and less controversial) than ''popular''. There are arguably many recent roguelike games that are more popular than ToME, but few (if any) that have been more influential. <br />
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I suggest that [[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]], [[Roguelike Reviews]], [[Tree of roguelike evolution]], and [[Recently Updated Roguelikes]] be added to the 'inclusion' page [[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]], and the text changed as below:<br />
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<nowiki>= Roguelikes =</nowiki><br />
Many Roguelikes are freely available online. The most <strike>popular</strike> influential are:<br />
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<div style="text-align:center">[[ADOM]] '''·''' [[Angband]] '''·''' [[Crawl]] '''·''' [[NetHack]] '''·''' [[ToME]]</div><br />
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Since the control systems of these Roguelikes are geared towards "expert" players, the novice player may be interested in trying a 'lighter' game like some of the '''[[coffeebreak roguelike]]s''' or just dive in at the deep end and find a '''[[:Category:Roguelike_games|game]]''' to suit you.<strike>. The following may help you find out more: <br />
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*[[:category:roguelike games|Categorized Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Roguelike Reviews]] <br />
*[[Tree of roguelike evolution]]<br />
*[[Recently Updated Roguelikes]]</strike><br />
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== Also ... ==<br />
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See [[Talk:List of roguelikes]] for possible replacement for the content of that page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Featured game section? ==<br />
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How about a 'featured game' section (bottom left of main page). Suggested content: Short description, mini-review, link to RogueBasin page and main review (if present). I'd suggest choosing games that have been updated in the last month and are at least 'beta'. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: Well, I've done one. Maybe someone will replace it with a different game in a week or two. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Looks great! I actually have a C64 in a joystick system that has this game on it. [[User:Elig|elig]]<br />
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: Thanks to [[User:Ido|Ido]] for putting up a new featured roguelike. I was just thinking it was about time I got around to doing that ;-) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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An archive of former featured roguelikes would be nice. Not quite sure how the layout of such a page should be though. Maybe just make seperate pages for each and add category:featured.. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 23:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Colonp|ColorP]]: I've created [[:Category:Featured Roguelikes]] with a backlog of featured roguelikes by date, and attached that category to all roguelikes that have been featured. If you'd like to see the previous featured roguelike pages, take look at the history of [[Featured roguelike]]. Cheers! [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 04:44, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I didn't think of looking at the history.. Nice work! I've added a link to the category on the front page. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 16:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Location instead of Nationality? ==<br />
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In the developer info, I think it would be more fun to have a Location option instead of a Nationality option. With location, people can put in however much information on their location they want. They could type things like "Sacramento, CA, USA" or just "Arizona, USA" or even "France". The Nationality field limits this information purely to the country where the person is from, which in many cases might not be as interesting as the state in that country that the person lives in. <br />
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So, the advantage with using the word Location instead is that it provides people the flexibility to put in however much or little information they want, and it can still contain the exact same information that Nationality does. Also, upgrading is easy because we can just replace all instances of Nationality with Location. Although this might be considered a minor issue because people can enter their state and so on into the Nationality field, the Nationality field still encourages new contributions to contain as little information as possible on the location of the developer. Renaming it Location would encourage them to put in as much information as they wanted to. - [[elig]]<br />
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: I'm not hard against it, but it doesn't sound that great a move. I doubt the excitement would keep you awake at nights if I told you that I live in Wiltshire now but Berkshire before I moved. ;-) States are mostly only going to be interesting if you happen to live in the same country. That said, go ahead and do it if you want, it's no big deal either way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: The biggest problem with this is that every developer would have to change their developer info. It would be better to create a new template with the nationality changed to location, but then some developers would have a "location" field and others would have a "nationality" field, which could be confusing. I don't think it's worth it to change it. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 00:38, 8 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Important links on front page? ==<br />
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What about having some closely related important community links on the front page? There are very few major resources aside from Roguebasin, pretty much just Temple of the Roguelike, the rgrd newsgroup, #rgrd and Temple of the Roguelike's forums. The RGRD links are currently under articles, perhaps for lack of a better place. They're not articles and it seems a little confusing to me to have them under there. Links might be appropriate, but since there are so few other major resources for the roguelike community, why not highlight them directly on the main page? I feel this would really help people who find Roguebasin for the first time to enter the community. At least, I think all these links should be placed in a single location that is easy to access and properly labeled. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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I have now added this to the front page, to show how I think it might look. Feel free to take it off ofcourse if you absolutely hate it, but I think it could be a valuable addition to the front page. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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A few [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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# Although I like "Temple of the Roguelike" it doesn't really need two links.<br />
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# r.g.r.d Newsgroup and R.G.R.D IRC Chatroom could have direct links as well as (instead of?) the links to RogueBasin pages.* <br />
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# angband.oook.cz deserves a mention.<br />
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# You've just stolen the space I wanted to use for the "Featured game section" ;-) (But I can't complain too much as I didn't take the time away from [[Angband/65]] development to feature even one game)<br />
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NOTE: r.g.r.d Newsgroup should probably have a Google groups link - many people won't have a browser that supports things like news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.pocketpc. If there was a browser equivalent for IRC:// I'd probably say the same about that.<br />
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Also note that there's a "links" link at the top of the page. I'd suggest that page could be made more user-friendly and updated.<br />
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Featured games is a good idea. We can always put it above or below the community links. But it should definitely have a featured games thing on the front page. The other changes are all good, I'll probably just leave the Temple of the Roguelike forum, since this page already has news physically on it. The r.g.r.d. newsgroup should be a direct google link IMO as well. IRC I think it would be better to have a seperate page for, just because there's no easy way to specify an IRC server's address, to my knowledge. I'll also add angband.oook.cz - [[elig]]<br />
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I've also added a temporary space for the future featured Roguelike section. Feel free to remove/edit it of course. Just figured I'd reserve the space :) Also, feel free to put it above the Roguelike community links if you want. Also, what about having the featured roguelike at the very top of the page? Like, in the space where "What is a Roguelike?" is now, with "What is a Roguelike?" right below it? It might be something neat to entice any new visitors to try a Roguelike. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Specific games.. ==<br />
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''"I don't think we should have links to sites about specific games"''<br />
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http://angband.oook.cz/ is not about a single game, it is about an entire genre of roguelike games. As evidenced by the fact that there are 82 *band variants in the [[List of Angband variants]]. There are at least as many posts on variants as on 'vanilla' Angband and frankly it gets more traffic than http://www.roguetemple.com/ by a long way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Okay. From the description of the site, I assumed it was primarily about Angband. I didn't even look at the site. I will re-add it. :) [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:50, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Reorganize site? ==<br />
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Right now, this site serves two main purposes: to describe existing Roguelike games and have articles about creating new Roguelikes. I think that at least for the average user, it might be confusing to have the two "mixed" like they are. For example, I think the news section of the main page should be divided into two sections: games and development tools. What do you think? [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:54, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: I don't think the development tools should be split out of news, but I do agree that something of a reorganisation is needed. The site is, IMO, more accessible for game information than it is for development help. The great majority of game information is in one of two types - 1) Lists and categories, 2) Individual game information. That is basically all that's needed - ways of finding a suitable game efficiently and information on the game itself. <br />
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: Development articles (and related content) are trickier. For one thing I suspect many of the articles may be old fashioned. There are also quite a few articles that are 'locked' (can't be edited). They are spread around between different languages and I think there are big gaps in difficulty level between them. What I think would be great would be if there was a series of articles all in the same language (preferably one accessible to new learners and usable on many platforms) that cover all major aspects of development. Don't worry about having the most efficient algorithms, worry more about understandability and consistency between articles. Make use of stable libraries if appropriate. Basically with the intent that someone starting at the first article and finishing at the last could go from newbie to having made a basic functional roguelike game. That series could form a stable "trunk" and generous inclusion of links to other relevant articles would provide branches off to the details and options that more experienced developers (and those using other languages) will need. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: I think that's a good idea. It might be best to use [[Python]], because it is easy to learn, fast to develop in, and portable. It's slow (some say it's 100 times slower than C++), but as you said, efficiency isn't very important. I have some experience with Python, so I could help write some of the articles. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: As I understand it the latest version has improved quite markedly in speed, hasn't it? <br />
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::: I'm pretty much booked up working on [[Angband/65]] as far as my free time goes up till the end of August so I'm afraid I won't be of much use (and I don't know python). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: Definitely, the game info is far more accessable than the development info. What we're desperately lacking is more information on development, a better organization of that information, and a better way to access that information. I'm not entirely sure how to fix these problems, except for maybe creating a generic Roguelike Development page that is linked to from the front page. Aside from that, I'm not sure. :\ I've thought about adding articles from time to time, but I never know what to name them or where to properly add them. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Library template(s) ==<br />
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I've added [[Template:Library]] and applied it to the pages in category:library. While doing so two points came up to be resolved: <br />
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1. Should there be -alpha, -beta, -stable and -defunct divisions for libraries?<br />
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2. Should [[Roguelike Library For Java]] and [[Roguelike Library For Perl]] be changed to use the library template I added? <br />
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P.S. Feel free to change / or comment on the library template I made. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: IMO all libraries should follow the same format, and I love the alpha beta stable etc. thing. Sounds good to me! - [[elig]]<br />
:: I also like that curses uses a library like template to specify that curses is a series of libraries. [[elig]]<br />
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== Who's minding the store? ==<br />
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That is to say, who is it that does the admin stuff like delete pages in the delete category, pay for the domain name, update the mediawiki version? I'm just asking because it would be a real shame if I came back here one day and it was all 404'ed or something. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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Not sure, might be slashie. I was thinking of just such an awful idea myself recently. Maybe we should start some kind of fund to financially support roguebasin. Erowid for instance has a non-profit donation based organization that pays their bills. Of course, we wouldn't be able to do anything nearly so fancy, but a paypal account and the ability to donate might be nice... Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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:: I just now noticed the PayPal donate button on the lower left side of the page. Is that new? I definitely think it should be given a more prominent place on the website if it is! Maybe a nice spot on the front page, and one on the left right under the logo, maybe. Glad to see this place has a donate button now, though! Everybody donate! :D [[elig]]<br />
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::: That's been there forever. Before everybody donates I think someone should email the address shown and see if you get a reply. (I don't think Bjorn has edited anything here all the time I've been here?). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: This is being discussed at http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413 , thanks for your interest! --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 07:18, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Wiki backup / duplicate? ==<br />
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With the current situation (not sure who runs RogueBasin, not sure who has the admin account for the wiki, out of date mediawiki version) would it be possible for someone to duplicate / backup the wiki content? Worst case it wouldn't all be lost if it goes south. Best case someone might be willing to set up a new host with better spam-protection and less bugs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::I agree, it would be a great benefit to the entire community if we were able to duplicate/mirror this wiki. If anyone could duplicate it, we could set up some mirrors in case the main site ever goes down. Plus, this has the added advantage of independent members of the community being able to download a backup copy. We definitely need an easy way to mirror/download/backup Roguebasin, IMO. [[elig]]<br />
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::: There's a special page for Exporting pages for import to another '''MediaWiki''' wiki. [[Special:Export]]. Not sure how well it works. Or you can ''just'' manually copy each page source. Possibly to a wiki host like PBWorks ??? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::: I have written/grabbed a few scripts to begin automating the backup process and I've also used them to make a complete backup of the roguebasin wiki. Both the scripts and the initial backup are available in a package at: EDIT: Download scripts at http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ /EDIT so grab a copy and keep it just in case. If somebody feels ambitious, they can finish automating the process. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 07:05, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:::: This is awesome, Duerig! This is exactly what we needed! :D Thank you. I'm going to download it right away. [[elig]] Edit: After having downloaded it, this really is EXACTLY what we need. This is fantastic. Everyone should download this. [[elig]]<br />
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::::: Ha-ha, maybe not *everyone* (surely there are bandwidth concerns?). But great news and thanks Duerig. I have just downloaded it and will experiment with how easy it is to set-up elsewhere. (It's not a backup until you've tested the restore process! ;-) I'll report in the Temple of the Roguelike thread. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::::: Given your enthusiasm, I decided to bite the bullet and finish automating the process. Download the scripts and run 'backup.sh' and everything will be done for you including downloading the actual xml files and compressing them into a tarball with the current date. I converted a piece of my webspace into backup storage and I've set up a cron job to make monthly backups and stash them there. Fully automated backup scripts at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup index at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ I plan to leave things running and available until/unless my provider complains. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 09:32, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::::::: Scautura has made the [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3322#new very generous offer] to supply ad-free wiki hosting. Depending on whether we get any replies from Bjorn (and what those replies are) I think it might be a good idea to move RogueBasin. Obviously it will still be a good idea to make regular backups whatever else happens. Otherwise YourWiki looks like a possibility for temporary / emergency backup location. I'll be waiting a while to see how things proceed before doing more. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::::: Duerig comes through once again! This is absolutely amazing stuff, and exactly what we need. Thank you! Now I can start a torrent based on the backups/ directory. This is awesome! :D [[elig]]<br />
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== Weird error? ==<br />
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Every time I search for Bjorn or Bergstrom the search crashes. I was trying to figure out when the new paypal button was added by searching for Bjorn Bergstrom and then seeing when he added it. Unfortunately, it crashes. Any idea why? [[elig]]<br />
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: I've seen this before. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact reason for the problem (or where I wrote about it) but I think it's got something to do with the content of the pages searched for (possibly related to the way non-ascii characters get messed up). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== The Roguebasin torrent! ==<br />
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Here is a torrent for the most recent backup of the Roguebasin. I'll be seeding it at 50kb/s pretty much forever. Remember, seeding this is completely legal and supports the preservation of the Roguebasin, so please seed!<br />
[http://www.mininova.org/tor/2742707 Get the torrent here!]<br />
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::You can also save the copy on [http://www.adrive.com/static/storageplans_basic Adrive] or [http://skydrive.live.com Skydrive] --[[User:Pilotpirx|Pilotpirx]] 11:36, 8 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New spammers ==<br />
Think its time to update the wiki again? or do something with captha or something to lock new users... the spam is coming thick and fast [[User:Stu|Stu]] 17:39, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: It might be best to have an administrator activate each account before it can be used. This would prevent the spam, and there aren't very many new accounts, so it wouldn't be too tedious. Another option would be to disallow accounts with "buy" in the name. We would need an administrator to do either of these, and it would be useful to have more administrators. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:23, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Right its time someone locked new users down until something can be organised. its beyond ridiculous now. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 18:41, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
::: The wiki is currently in a transition period. The old ops had been idle for quite a while (see comments above and linked thread on TotRL). Slash has just recently been given shell access so he can set things up. I believe that he is planning on upgrading the wiki software and take other measures to prevent spam. While he figures out a permanent solution, we should try to keep things as clean as we can. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: Hello people, I was performing the upgrade but I ran into some problems with the PHP version... hope to have it fixed tomorrow -- [[Slash]]<br />
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: New captcha measures have been installed, I hope we will have a better time with spambots now --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 18:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: The spam seems to have slowed a bit, but it definitely has not stopped. Are you using a generic captcha? Perhaps something that requires some basic knowledge of roguelike games would work better (I know the original Dudley's dungeon used Nethack-based questions and I never saw it get spammed.) [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: Revised opinion: This is not working. You either need a different form of captcha or accounts need to be approved by a human. [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Or possibly more sysops able to block IP ranges (on the technical side, are all those 'fullmassage' spammers from the same IP?) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::: Paul Blay has been appointed as a SysOp, about 330 spammers have been deleted --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: I am using "reCaptcha", which is a popular captcha plugin (which may not be a good choice, as popular security measures are the first target for spammers), human approval proved to be clumsy in the past, but if the situation scales we will go that way. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roguebasin mediawiki updated to 1.15.0 ==<br />
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Well, the upgrade is finished. Let's collect all things broken here. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<s>1. I noticed the images can no longer be referred to using only the url, so we will have to fix them up --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s> Fixed --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 00:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== (re)Captcha is broken! (or not) ==<br />
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It doesn't matter what you type, the update goes through anyway. No wonder we've been spammed to heck. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:In theory, reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word, such that there is one word to check against, and one that they are trying to figure out - if the known word is correct, it doesn't matter what the other word is. Sounds like someone's fouled up with the code on their end and neither word matters. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 12:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: "reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word" Oh, I didn't realize that. I'm not sure if it's working or not now. I'll have to check. I just linked 'google' to get a reCapture prompt and it didn't ask for one. o_O???. Oddly reCapture prompts have been appearing when I haven't added any new URLs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I just tested and reCaptcha is working when creating a new account? and there's no way to edit pages if you dont have one... am I missing something obvious? --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think I was misunderstanding the reCapture system. Scautura noted that you only have to get one of the words correct, right? I didn't know that. Before I was 'sysop'ed I was getting a reCapture prompt on all edits that added a new external URL. I was also getting a reCapture prompt on quite a few edits that ''didn't'' add an external URL, but I'm not sure what all that was about. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Community Portal ==<br />
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Unless someone can suggest a reason I shouldn't I'm going to unprotect the [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal] page, remove the redirect and delete the rather useless stub in [[Community Portal Alias]]. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I think that's ok --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 14:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Um... the roguebasin itself has a reason. When Jeff last tried to do it his attempts were thwarted by data base error. I would be surprised and grateful if you somehow managed to make it happen. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Well, I'm back and I finally did it. Now we just need to know what actually goes in a [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal]. :-P [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]] 09:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== NetHack poll news-worthy? ==<br />
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Is the [http://nethack-de.sf.net/poll.html NetHack poll for current and former player] a news-worthy item?<br />
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The news section is labelled 'New Roguelike Releases' so I guess rather not? --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 11:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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[[elig]]: I think usually temple of the roguelike handles news related stuff like that. Although, maybe we should have some kind of a more general news feed on here? What does everyone else think?<br />
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== Template change suggestion for handling released / updated data ==<br />
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In an effort to a) make the data for 'updated' and 'released' more consistent and b) make it easier to handle by the IRLDB I'm going to suggest splitting up the 'updated' and 'released' information into two fields each. One for the date, and one for the relevant version number.<br />
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See [[Brogue]] and [[Template:Game-stable]] for how this could work.<br />
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This would also be a good opportunity to decide on a common date format. I would suggest that <br />
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Advantage of first option - Arguably looks nicer<br />
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Advantage of second option - Year is first so it will sort nicer in text sorting.<br />
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: [[User:Ido|Ido]] Go for it! 12:02, 13 July 2010<br />
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: If you want a date with the year in front don't do "2009 Mar 12". It looks ugly as hell and is extremely uncommon. The only reasonable leading year format that is also widely used would be ISO 8601: "2009-03-12". --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 10:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Large amount of new accounts? ==<br />
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It seems a large number of new accounts have been created today (12 September 2010). All these accounts seem to have no edits. Does anyone know about this? It looks strange. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks like the start of a spambot invasion. Personally I would remove all these. (Note how they start to look like normal usenames, with some additional random chars at the end).--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 20:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Looking at the [[Special:Log/newusers|user creation log]], it seems that usernames of that format have been created since 6 August. Therefore, this appears to be a planned invasion, so I think we'll have to act quickly to get rid of the accounts (I predict it will happen around October, because the first account was made on 6/7/8 August, then 2/3/11/12 September). The order of the text in the names seems to be: randomly generated username (possibly a fantasy random name generator?), then 4-11 random characters. Most of these accounts are easy to spot, because their contribs link is red in the log. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::To me it looks more like ongoing invasion. These accounts do not make much spam because captcha seems to prevent it most of the time. Still it would not hurt to delete them.<br />
:::<b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::It appears that the spammers have started making new pages. Fortunately [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] has deleted these so far. Deleting these spam accounts and blocking the IP of those accounts is a good idea right now. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I'm working on getting Bureaucrat access so that I can administer users and eradicate the spammers. For now, I'll keep deleting their posts as they pop up. [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 20:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright status of pages edited ever since the wiki stopped telling editors that they GFDL their edits ==<br />
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Hi all,<br />
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RogueBasin has sometimes required contributors to release their work under the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GNU Free Documentation License] and sometimes not. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here?<br />
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[[RogueBasin:About]] says this wiki was hosted at [http://roguebasin.swiki.net roguebasin.swiki.net], then [http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net], and now is hosted at [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org].<br />
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I've tried for a while but haven't managed to get the Internet Archive's [http://web.archive.org Wayback Machine] to show me any part of the wiki as it existed at swiki.net. What copyright license did the wiki use back then?<br />
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At t-o-m-e.net, RogueBasin indicated that it was GFDLed. See [http://web.archive.org/web/20060718204357/http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net/index.php/Main_Page the Main Page as it was in mid-2006] for example. At the bottom, it says "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2." When a MediaWiki-based wiki says that, it almost always MediaWiki tells editors that when they click "Save page", they agree to release their contributions under the GFDL. We can safely assume that RogueBasin did so back then.<br />
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Here at roguelikedevelopment.org, RogueBasin has no license information at the bottom of the page, and while I'm editing a page, it only says "Please note that all contributions to RogueBasin may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. ... You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource ... ."<br />
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In [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3305#msg3305 the "Future of RogueBasin" thread at roguetemple.com], Paul Blay wrote "Articles in RogueBasin are those which are under either the 'GNU Free Documentation License 1.2' (most of them) or a modified version that doesn't allow the content to be modified (a handful or two, I guess). There should be no problem with copying them to another site as long as they remain under the same license." I think he meant those articles which were posted to Usenet by a single author then copied here later.<br />
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But many of our pages here, like the [[NetHack]] page and the [[Angband]] page, have been written by many wiki contributors. So, at one point, contributors agreed, when they clicked "Save page", that their work was GFDLed. Later on, further contributors didn't agree to such a thing. The GFDL frowns upon this: it seems to me to require that if you modify a GFDLed work and distribute the modified work (e.g. by saving it on a public wiki server), your changes must be released under the GFDL.<br />
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What's the copyright status of the pages which were once all-GFDL and now are not?<br />
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Cheers, --[[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 4DRL Template ==<br />
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4DRL Template: There is now a [[Template:Game-4drl|game-4drl]] template for use in the entries to the 4DRL challenge! (use this instead of game-stable, game-alpha, game-7drl, etc.) <small>--The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Nolithius]] [[User talk:Nolithius|(talk)]], 17:57, 28 October 2010.</small><br />
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== Shorter repost: Are the pages on this wiki GFDL or not? ==<br />
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This is a shorter repost of my long post above.<br />
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RogueBasin has sometimes required contributors to release their work under the GFDL open-content license and sometimes not. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here: are they GFDL or not?<br />
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Cheers, [[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=RogueBasin_talk:Community_Portal&diff=22904RogueBasin talk:Community Portal2010-11-19T03:30:11Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* 4DRL Template */ +ft:"--The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Nolithius (talk), 17:57, 28 October 2010."</p>
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== Game Announcements ==<br />
If you have a new game/version/release to announce to the world, Make an edit to the [[News]] page, and please follow the existing format. If you want to generate discussion and receive feedback and comments, make sure to head over to [http://roguetemple.com RogueTemple] and use their forums, as well as [[rgrd]]. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:21, 16 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Link breaks wiki, News at 11 ==<br />
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The following link (from 'dead-end pages') fails to display anything other than nasty error messages. Possibly due to illegal characters in title?<br />
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http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Hansj%3F%84%E2%80%9A%3F%82%C2%B6rg_Malthener<br />
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Other 'bug'ish news. [[SDL]] exists, but searching for SDL will return zero hits. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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The error with Hansjoergs page are not because of illegal characters in the URL. They should be valid even though they look like at least twice encoded in Unicode. There seems to something terrible broken recently with non 7-bit characters. Database update maybe? Try searching for any special character like e.g. '????' (U+00C4 "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS" if it gets mangled). Even the db search bails with an error. --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 15:58, 23 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== Spambots ==<br />
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There was a small spambot attack recently, dunno how they overrid the spam protection (what is the current spam protection)? I had no luck blocking them via the sysop special pages. Is there any way to delete user accounts?<br />
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--[[User:Slash|Slash]] 01:08, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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I think it may be useful to update MediaWiki software to the latest version. The one that's currently installed is so old, the mind boggles. The current version has captchas and other stuff, and it's much easier to revert vandalism. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:23, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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IIRC Bj????rn set up the latest version when the server translation was performed? Also, this is plain vandalism, not even spam (deleting '+' and everything after a '&', what use would that have?<br />
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:It can't be the latest version. For example when you look at the diff between two revisions, there's no link to edit the revision. This feature was in Wikipedia since I joined it, probably, and that was very long time ago. So, to revert vandalism one has to click three times instead of two, pretty annoying. I don't know, maybe it's configured incorrectly, but it definitely looks very outdated. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:52, 13 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:It's definitely an old version, the [[Special:Version]] page shows as using version 1.3.9 ''(The 1.3.x line was last updated in November 2005)''. The newest release is 1.10.0 although most modern versions of MediaWiki require PHP5 though ''(since version 1.7)''. The latest version that still supports PHP4 is 1.6.10 available [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download here]. 1.6.10 was released on 20th February 2007. -- [[User:Pucechan|Pucechan]] 01:18, 28 May 2007 (CEST)<br />
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::THe Wiki is currently running MediaWiki 1.6.10. Hopefully we won't see any more spam attacks. -- Bjorn 09:50 3 Jul 2007<br />
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There was another spammer, although it could be a person doing it, rather than a bot. It was [[User:Yaxiaexx099|this account]] doing it, and [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Dalhxf&oldid=12449 this] was was what he did.<br />
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Here we go again, looks like the spambots are returning? Three new pages filled with.. something. [[Aldan|Here]], [[Generosity|here]] and [[Nourished|here]], created by three (new?) users in a short succession. Are there any anti-spambot guidelines somewhere, since I'm not sure of what to do, except for reporting? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 23:48, 8 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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:Wonder if there is any way we can give rights to some users to approve new users so we dont have these spambots sign up, or we need to modify the captcha code to stop this crap. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:31, 12 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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::I would suggest try giving a selected few, trusted users the rights to approve new users. The use of CAPTCHAs is kinda useless as of today (well, except for scaring off scriptkiddies), since it's an out of date "security measure" and there's some various techniques to bypass it. It's also a problem for ie, visual impaired people having trouble reading the characters (more info over at wikipedia, for those of you not being convinced it's a crappy technology..). [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 15:50, 23 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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== All those guides! ==<br />
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Where did all those good guides at http://www.roguelikedevelopment.org/ go? according to the news, the content has been moved to this wiki but I can't find any of those guides! me want's 'em badly!<br />
[[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 11:28, 16 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:Sorry, I meant of course that alot of guides are missing, as least most of the map algorithm stuff previously found on the old site is missing here at the wiki. Anyone got copies of those guides, please? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 14:28, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::And you looked in the map section of [[Articles]]? All the ones I recall are there. Perhaps you can use the wayback machine to calculate which ones seem to be missing? [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 17:12, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::lol, the wayback what..? No, realy, I know there's alot missing from the site. Some examples are the guides written by Mike Anderson (Dungeon-Building Algorithm, Fractal Landscapes) and Radomir "The Sheep" Dopieralski (Recursive LvL Generation) [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 17:52, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::::Look at this URL. It is from www.archive.org, the wayback machine for the Internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20060114055601/http://roguelikedevelopment.org/ but before you go adding all of the articles to the wiki, you should know that there was some effort to move them over, but only if the original authors could be found to give permission. So you should check with an admin here about what to do. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 08:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::::Oh crap, I thought I could just go and add what I managed to find, since it had already been released on the site o.0' Pardon me, I'm too quick sometimes, doing stuff without thinking first. <br /> But, IMHO, not moving over all that stuff just because the original author couldn't be found kinda buggers me, that's just wast of time and good knowledge, stupidlly forcing to "reinvent the wheel". And it buggers me even more, since obvisiouly (spelling?) it can still be found on the web thanks to that wayback machine you're talking about (thanks for that link btw, would've never thought of that). <br /> Thanks for telling me dude, I'll try slowing down/backing off and poke an admin about it before doing anything else.<br /> <br />Anyway, should the "previously missing" [[Dungeon-Building Algorithm]] article I dug up yesterday be removed, or just leave it for now and hope for the better? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 13:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
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::::::Is there any chance of the articles being reposted on the original site until they can be ported here? They're only text documents, and a number of them were very good references. Most of the original files are not stored on wayback machine, so forn ow they are lost for good. [[User:lapoubelle|lapoubelle]] 30 April 2008<br />
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I have spent most of today searching for and collecting all of the articles that were on the old system but not on roguebasin. I was able to recover all but two. Those two and links to the archives are at [[User:Duerig]]. That way they should be safe until we can decide how to handle them. If the admins have a problem with this, I'll host them on my own domain if I have to. Let me know if you can find information on either of the two remaining articles. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 21:53, 1 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Game or project? ==<br />
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Template [[Template:Angband-variant]] asks for status field. Then game entry is added to "status games" category. This works well for stable games and defunct games but fails for alpha, beta and talkie talkie *projects*. Thus any Angband variants which classify themselves as having alpha or beta status do not get included in proper category. Any ideas how to correct that without destroying too much existing work? I would opt for removing status field and adding all variants to categories manually. Other choice is to spilt template into several like it was done with [[Template:Gameinfo]]. What are others opinions on this? <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 16:18, 19 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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: I think the best bet is to split the template like the Gameinfo did. I presume there was a good reason to do that split rather than use the status field cleverly. I don't like people having to manually add the category tag as that will result in people forgetting to categorize the variant at all. --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 05:21, 21 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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:: Foundations are lain. I am going to wait some more time before proceeding to change all Angband variant pages in case better ideas show up or someone has objections. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:03, 25 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== 1krl ==<br />
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We should add this to the wiki, but I'm not sure where.<br />
http://1024brl.googlepages.com/<br />
(and a link to the rgrd posts of course.<br />
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== Rule of thumb for new -> old news? ==<br />
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How many months (or how many posts) should be in [[News]] before you should move some to Old News? I would suggest that four months or so is enough as the 'News' section is currently longer than the rest of the Main page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:I think that we should move all news from 2008 to Old News. We actually don't really need the [[News]] page to show news older than a month, as it is intended to show '''new''' releases. I will move all news from 2008 now. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 22:34, 22 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== More bug-ish behaviour - support for unicode/multi-byte characters ==<br />
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I've just noticed that Japanese text typed in my user page spontaneously changed into gibberish (technically 'mojibake' ;-). The interesting point is that '''initially''' it displayed properly, only after a day or two did it turn into unintelligible characters. Similar behaviour can be seen at [[POWDER/Russian translation]]. For test purposes I will now write something in Japanese. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
: My bet is someone used a browser that didnt handle jis/utf or whatever encoding properly and saved it back... your test string is nothing but ?????? to my browser... (ff3.5) [[User:Stu|Stu]] 19:59, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Nope. Because it happens to me and Japanese works just fine with Firefox elsewhere (including other wikis). I should test whether it still happens on the new Mediawiki version. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Testing now ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Nah, it still stuffs up. :-( [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
::: Will see what I can do tonight --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 13:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: I believe it may be down to encoding on the MySQL database - it may need switching to unicode (UTF-8, off the top of my head?) as what is probably happening is that it's being munged into single bytes which make no sense. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 13:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== talkie = pre-alpha / planning ? ==<br />
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The 'talkie' category appears to be a little off compared to the line-up of "alpha, beta, stable". Should I understand it to include games that are pre-alpha / planning or should "pre-alpha" be a new category? <br />
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A significant number of 'alpha' projects include no download. I was under the impression that 'alpha' meant that you could run it and see something even though it might not be a playable game yet. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Yes, I think that games that are in 'alpha' but have no downloads should be moved to 'talkie'. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:23, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Image uploads? ==<br />
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I see that file uploads are disabled. I'd like to be able to upload a few small icons for alpha/beta/stable/defunct (after I find/create them ;-). If I can't do it myself, is there an admin who I could email or something? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:It's not possible to upload files, but you can use images from other sites. Put the image's URL on the page, without any special formatting (look at [[Downfall]] for an example). If you need a site to upload to, I recommend [http://imgur.com/ Imgur]. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:26, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== RGRD Wiki Project ==<br />
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I see this hasn't had any new names added since August 2008. As such perhaps it shouldn't be so prominent in the Contribute section. Maybe ...<br />
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<nowiki>=Contribute=</nowiki><br />
If you'd like to contribute to RogueBasin, simply create an account and log in. Feel very free to edit! We especially need more information added to the [[:category:roguelike games|games pages]] and the [[list of roguelike games|lists]] - if you're a developer, consider updating your game's page, and making sure that it (and you) are included in the relevant lists.<br />
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If you're an experienced developer, consider writing articles about creating Roguelikes. There are many people new to Roguelike development, and they often need help. It's especially helpful to write articles about problems you have experienced yourself. Also you can add your name to the [[RGRD Wiki Project]] (directly, or by posting a message on [[rgrd]] saying how you want to participate). If someone sees a relevant post by you, they'll upload it to this wiki as an [[articles|article]].<br />
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:I think this will be fine. You can go ahead and change it if you want. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:27, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New main page ==<br />
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I like the appearance of the new main page :) --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 05:32, 13 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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I like it too, nice work! I'd like the contribute part to be blue though, [[User:Colonp/maintest]].. Not perfect right now. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 04:17, 17 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== STATUS in game templates ==<br />
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A number of games have |status= lines in the info box, but it does not display anything on the screen. The content is generally a duplicate of the type indicated by the template name (e.g. game-beta is status [[Beta]], etc.)<br />
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Are these lines left over from an earlier set of templates? Can the STATUS information safely be called redundant and removed? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: Yes, it can be safely thrown away if not done yet. It is a leftover from old [[:Template:Gameinfo]] template. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 'roguelikes' section of Main page. ==<br />
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I think that ''influential'' would be clearer (and less controversial) than ''popular''. There are arguably many recent roguelike games that are more popular than ToME, but few (if any) that have been more influential. <br />
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I suggest that [[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]], [[Roguelike Reviews]], [[Tree of roguelike evolution]], and [[Recently Updated Roguelikes]] be added to the 'inclusion' page [[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]], and the text changed as below:<br />
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<nowiki>= Roguelikes =</nowiki><br />
Many Roguelikes are freely available online. The most <strike>popular</strike> influential are:<br />
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<div style="text-align:center">[[ADOM]] '''·''' [[Angband]] '''·''' [[Crawl]] '''·''' [[NetHack]] '''·''' [[ToME]]</div><br />
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Since the control systems of these Roguelikes are geared towards "expert" players, the novice player may be interested in trying a 'lighter' game like some of the '''[[coffeebreak roguelike]]s''' or just dive in at the deep end and find a '''[[:Category:Roguelike_games|game]]''' to suit you.<strike>. The following may help you find out more: <br />
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*[[:category:roguelike games|Categorized Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]]<br />
*[[Roguelike Reviews]] <br />
*[[Tree of roguelike evolution]]<br />
*[[Recently Updated Roguelikes]]</strike><br />
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== Also ... ==<br />
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See [[Talk:List of roguelikes]] for possible replacement for the content of that page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Featured game section? ==<br />
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How about a 'featured game' section (bottom left of main page). Suggested content: Short description, mini-review, link to RogueBasin page and main review (if present). I'd suggest choosing games that have been updated in the last month and are at least 'beta'. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: Well, I've done one. Maybe someone will replace it with a different game in a week or two. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Looks great! I actually have a C64 in a joystick system that has this game on it. [[User:Elig|elig]]<br />
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: Thanks to [[User:Ido|Ido]] for putting up a new featured roguelike. I was just thinking it was about time I got around to doing that ;-) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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An archive of former featured roguelikes would be nice. Not quite sure how the layout of such a page should be though. Maybe just make seperate pages for each and add category:featured.. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 23:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Colonp|ColorP]]: I've created [[:Category:Featured Roguelikes]] with a backlog of featured roguelikes by date, and attached that category to all roguelikes that have been featured. If you'd like to see the previous featured roguelike pages, take look at the history of [[Featured roguelike]]. Cheers! [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 04:44, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I didn't think of looking at the history.. Nice work! I've added a link to the category on the front page. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 16:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Location instead of Nationality? ==<br />
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In the developer info, I think it would be more fun to have a Location option instead of a Nationality option. With location, people can put in however much information on their location they want. They could type things like "Sacramento, CA, USA" or just "Arizona, USA" or even "France". The Nationality field limits this information purely to the country where the person is from, which in many cases might not be as interesting as the state in that country that the person lives in. <br />
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So, the advantage with using the word Location instead is that it provides people the flexibility to put in however much or little information they want, and it can still contain the exact same information that Nationality does. Also, upgrading is easy because we can just replace all instances of Nationality with Location. Although this might be considered a minor issue because people can enter their state and so on into the Nationality field, the Nationality field still encourages new contributions to contain as little information as possible on the location of the developer. Renaming it Location would encourage them to put in as much information as they wanted to. - [[elig]]<br />
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: I'm not hard against it, but it doesn't sound that great a move. I doubt the excitement would keep you awake at nights if I told you that I live in Wiltshire now but Berkshire before I moved. ;-) States are mostly only going to be interesting if you happen to live in the same country. That said, go ahead and do it if you want, it's no big deal either way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: The biggest problem with this is that every developer would have to change their developer info. It would be better to create a new template with the nationality changed to location, but then some developers would have a "location" field and others would have a "nationality" field, which could be confusing. I don't think it's worth it to change it. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 00:38, 8 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Important links on front page? ==<br />
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What about having some closely related important community links on the front page? There are very few major resources aside from Roguebasin, pretty much just Temple of the Roguelike, the rgrd newsgroup, #rgrd and Temple of the Roguelike's forums. The RGRD links are currently under articles, perhaps for lack of a better place. They're not articles and it seems a little confusing to me to have them under there. Links might be appropriate, but since there are so few other major resources for the roguelike community, why not highlight them directly on the main page? I feel this would really help people who find Roguebasin for the first time to enter the community. At least, I think all these links should be placed in a single location that is easy to access and properly labeled. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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I have now added this to the front page, to show how I think it might look. Feel free to take it off ofcourse if you absolutely hate it, but I think it could be a valuable addition to the front page. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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A few [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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# Although I like "Temple of the Roguelike" it doesn't really need two links.<br />
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# r.g.r.d Newsgroup and R.G.R.D IRC Chatroom could have direct links as well as (instead of?) the links to RogueBasin pages.* <br />
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# angband.oook.cz deserves a mention.<br />
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# You've just stolen the space I wanted to use for the "Featured game section" ;-) (But I can't complain too much as I didn't take the time away from [[Angband/65]] development to feature even one game)<br />
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NOTE: r.g.r.d Newsgroup should probably have a Google groups link - many people won't have a browser that supports things like news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.pocketpc. If there was a browser equivalent for IRC:// I'd probably say the same about that.<br />
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Also note that there's a "links" link at the top of the page. I'd suggest that page could be made more user-friendly and updated.<br />
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Featured games is a good idea. We can always put it above or below the community links. But it should definitely have a featured games thing on the front page. The other changes are all good, I'll probably just leave the Temple of the Roguelike forum, since this page already has news physically on it. The r.g.r.d. newsgroup should be a direct google link IMO as well. IRC I think it would be better to have a seperate page for, just because there's no easy way to specify an IRC server's address, to my knowledge. I'll also add angband.oook.cz - [[elig]]<br />
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I've also added a temporary space for the future featured Roguelike section. Feel free to remove/edit it of course. Just figured I'd reserve the space :) Also, feel free to put it above the Roguelike community links if you want. Also, what about having the featured roguelike at the very top of the page? Like, in the space where "What is a Roguelike?" is now, with "What is a Roguelike?" right below it? It might be something neat to entice any new visitors to try a Roguelike. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Specific games.. ==<br />
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''"I don't think we should have links to sites about specific games"''<br />
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http://angband.oook.cz/ is not about a single game, it is about an entire genre of roguelike games. As evidenced by the fact that there are 82 *band variants in the [[List of Angband variants]]. There are at least as many posts on variants as on 'vanilla' Angband and frankly it gets more traffic than http://www.roguetemple.com/ by a long way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Okay. From the description of the site, I assumed it was primarily about Angband. I didn't even look at the site. I will re-add it. :) [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:50, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Reorganize site? ==<br />
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Right now, this site serves two main purposes: to describe existing Roguelike games and have articles about creating new Roguelikes. I think that at least for the average user, it might be confusing to have the two "mixed" like they are. For example, I think the news section of the main page should be divided into two sections: games and development tools. What do you think? [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:54, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: I don't think the development tools should be split out of news, but I do agree that something of a reorganisation is needed. The site is, IMO, more accessible for game information than it is for development help. The great majority of game information is in one of two types - 1) Lists and categories, 2) Individual game information. That is basically all that's needed - ways of finding a suitable game efficiently and information on the game itself. <br />
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: Development articles (and related content) are trickier. For one thing I suspect many of the articles may be old fashioned. There are also quite a few articles that are 'locked' (can't be edited). They are spread around between different languages and I think there are big gaps in difficulty level between them. What I think would be great would be if there was a series of articles all in the same language (preferably one accessible to new learners and usable on many platforms) that cover all major aspects of development. Don't worry about having the most efficient algorithms, worry more about understandability and consistency between articles. Make use of stable libraries if appropriate. Basically with the intent that someone starting at the first article and finishing at the last could go from newbie to having made a basic functional roguelike game. That series could form a stable "trunk" and generous inclusion of links to other relevant articles would provide branches off to the details and options that more experienced developers (and those using other languages) will need. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: I think that's a good idea. It might be best to use [[Python]], because it is easy to learn, fast to develop in, and portable. It's slow (some say it's 100 times slower than C++), but as you said, efficiency isn't very important. I have some experience with Python, so I could help write some of the articles. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: As I understand it the latest version has improved quite markedly in speed, hasn't it? <br />
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::: I'm pretty much booked up working on [[Angband/65]] as far as my free time goes up till the end of August so I'm afraid I won't be of much use (and I don't know python). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: Definitely, the game info is far more accessable than the development info. What we're desperately lacking is more information on development, a better organization of that information, and a better way to access that information. I'm not entirely sure how to fix these problems, except for maybe creating a generic Roguelike Development page that is linked to from the front page. Aside from that, I'm not sure. :\ I've thought about adding articles from time to time, but I never know what to name them or where to properly add them. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Library template(s) ==<br />
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I've added [[Template:Library]] and applied it to the pages in category:library. While doing so two points came up to be resolved: <br />
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1. Should there be -alpha, -beta, -stable and -defunct divisions for libraries?<br />
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2. Should [[Roguelike Library For Java]] and [[Roguelike Library For Perl]] be changed to use the library template I added? <br />
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P.S. Feel free to change / or comment on the library template I made. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: IMO all libraries should follow the same format, and I love the alpha beta stable etc. thing. Sounds good to me! - [[elig]]<br />
:: I also like that curses uses a library like template to specify that curses is a series of libraries. [[elig]]<br />
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== Who's minding the store? ==<br />
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That is to say, who is it that does the admin stuff like delete pages in the delete category, pay for the domain name, update the mediawiki version? I'm just asking because it would be a real shame if I came back here one day and it was all 404'ed or something. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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Not sure, might be slashie. I was thinking of just such an awful idea myself recently. Maybe we should start some kind of fund to financially support roguebasin. Erowid for instance has a non-profit donation based organization that pays their bills. Of course, we wouldn't be able to do anything nearly so fancy, but a paypal account and the ability to donate might be nice... Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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:: I just now noticed the PayPal donate button on the lower left side of the page. Is that new? I definitely think it should be given a more prominent place on the website if it is! Maybe a nice spot on the front page, and one on the left right under the logo, maybe. Glad to see this place has a donate button now, though! Everybody donate! :D [[elig]]<br />
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::: That's been there forever. Before everybody donates I think someone should email the address shown and see if you get a reply. (I don't think Bjorn has edited anything here all the time I've been here?). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: This is being discussed at http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413 , thanks for your interest! --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 07:18, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Wiki backup / duplicate? ==<br />
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With the current situation (not sure who runs RogueBasin, not sure who has the admin account for the wiki, out of date mediawiki version) would it be possible for someone to duplicate / backup the wiki content? Worst case it wouldn't all be lost if it goes south. Best case someone might be willing to set up a new host with better spam-protection and less bugs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::I agree, it would be a great benefit to the entire community if we were able to duplicate/mirror this wiki. If anyone could duplicate it, we could set up some mirrors in case the main site ever goes down. Plus, this has the added advantage of independent members of the community being able to download a backup copy. We definitely need an easy way to mirror/download/backup Roguebasin, IMO. [[elig]]<br />
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::: There's a special page for Exporting pages for import to another '''MediaWiki''' wiki. [[Special:Export]]. Not sure how well it works. Or you can ''just'' manually copy each page source. Possibly to a wiki host like PBWorks ??? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::: I have written/grabbed a few scripts to begin automating the backup process and I've also used them to make a complete backup of the roguebasin wiki. Both the scripts and the initial backup are available in a package at: EDIT: Download scripts at http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ /EDIT so grab a copy and keep it just in case. If somebody feels ambitious, they can finish automating the process. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 07:05, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:::: This is awesome, Duerig! This is exactly what we needed! :D Thank you. I'm going to download it right away. [[elig]] Edit: After having downloaded it, this really is EXACTLY what we need. This is fantastic. Everyone should download this. [[elig]]<br />
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::::: Ha-ha, maybe not *everyone* (surely there are bandwidth concerns?). But great news and thanks Duerig. I have just downloaded it and will experiment with how easy it is to set-up elsewhere. (It's not a backup until you've tested the restore process! ;-) I'll report in the Temple of the Roguelike thread. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::::: Given your enthusiasm, I decided to bite the bullet and finish automating the process. Download the scripts and run 'backup.sh' and everything will be done for you including downloading the actual xml files and compressing them into a tarball with the current date. I converted a piece of my webspace into backup storage and I've set up a cron job to make monthly backups and stash them there. Fully automated backup scripts at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup index at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ I plan to leave things running and available until/unless my provider complains. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 09:32, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::::::: Scautura has made the [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3322#new very generous offer] to supply ad-free wiki hosting. Depending on whether we get any replies from Bjorn (and what those replies are) I think it might be a good idea to move RogueBasin. Obviously it will still be a good idea to make regular backups whatever else happens. Otherwise YourWiki looks like a possibility for temporary / emergency backup location. I'll be waiting a while to see how things proceed before doing more. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::::: Duerig comes through once again! This is absolutely amazing stuff, and exactly what we need. Thank you! Now I can start a torrent based on the backups/ directory. This is awesome! :D [[elig]]<br />
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== Weird error? ==<br />
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Every time I search for Bjorn or Bergstrom the search crashes. I was trying to figure out when the new paypal button was added by searching for Bjorn Bergstrom and then seeing when he added it. Unfortunately, it crashes. Any idea why? [[elig]]<br />
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: I've seen this before. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact reason for the problem (or where I wrote about it) but I think it's got something to do with the content of the pages searched for (possibly related to the way non-ascii characters get messed up). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== The Roguebasin torrent! ==<br />
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Here is a torrent for the most recent backup of the Roguebasin. I'll be seeding it at 50kb/s pretty much forever. Remember, seeding this is completely legal and supports the preservation of the Roguebasin, so please seed!<br />
[http://www.mininova.org/tor/2742707 Get the torrent here!]<br />
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::You can also save the copy on [http://www.adrive.com/static/storageplans_basic Adrive] or [http://skydrive.live.com Skydrive] --[[User:Pilotpirx|Pilotpirx]] 11:36, 8 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New spammers ==<br />
Think its time to update the wiki again? or do something with captha or something to lock new users... the spam is coming thick and fast [[User:Stu|Stu]] 17:39, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: It might be best to have an administrator activate each account before it can be used. This would prevent the spam, and there aren't very many new accounts, so it wouldn't be too tedious. Another option would be to disallow accounts with "buy" in the name. We would need an administrator to do either of these, and it would be useful to have more administrators. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:23, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Right its time someone locked new users down until something can be organised. its beyond ridiculous now. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 18:41, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
::: The wiki is currently in a transition period. The old ops had been idle for quite a while (see comments above and linked thread on TotRL). Slash has just recently been given shell access so he can set things up. I believe that he is planning on upgrading the wiki software and take other measures to prevent spam. While he figures out a permanent solution, we should try to keep things as clean as we can. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: Hello people, I was performing the upgrade but I ran into some problems with the PHP version... hope to have it fixed tomorrow -- [[Slash]]<br />
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: New captcha measures have been installed, I hope we will have a better time with spambots now --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 18:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: The spam seems to have slowed a bit, but it definitely has not stopped. Are you using a generic captcha? Perhaps something that requires some basic knowledge of roguelike games would work better (I know the original Dudley's dungeon used Nethack-based questions and I never saw it get spammed.) [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: Revised opinion: This is not working. You either need a different form of captcha or accounts need to be approved by a human. [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Or possibly more sysops able to block IP ranges (on the technical side, are all those 'fullmassage' spammers from the same IP?) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::: Paul Blay has been appointed as a SysOp, about 330 spammers have been deleted --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: I am using "reCaptcha", which is a popular captcha plugin (which may not be a good choice, as popular security measures are the first target for spammers), human approval proved to be clumsy in the past, but if the situation scales we will go that way. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roguebasin mediawiki updated to 1.15.0 ==<br />
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Well, the upgrade is finished. Let's collect all things broken here. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<s>1. I noticed the images can no longer be referred to using only the url, so we will have to fix them up --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s> Fixed --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 00:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== (re)Captcha is broken! (or not) ==<br />
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It doesn't matter what you type, the update goes through anyway. No wonder we've been spammed to heck. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:In theory, reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word, such that there is one word to check against, and one that they are trying to figure out - if the known word is correct, it doesn't matter what the other word is. Sounds like someone's fouled up with the code on their end and neither word matters. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 12:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: "reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word" Oh, I didn't realize that. I'm not sure if it's working or not now. I'll have to check. I just linked 'google' to get a reCapture prompt and it didn't ask for one. o_O???. Oddly reCapture prompts have been appearing when I haven't added any new URLs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I just tested and reCaptcha is working when creating a new account? and there's no way to edit pages if you dont have one... am I missing something obvious? --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think I was misunderstanding the reCapture system. Scautura noted that you only have to get one of the words correct, right? I didn't know that. Before I was 'sysop'ed I was getting a reCapture prompt on all edits that added a new external URL. I was also getting a reCapture prompt on quite a few edits that ''didn't'' add an external URL, but I'm not sure what all that was about. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Community Portal ==<br />
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Unless someone can suggest a reason I shouldn't I'm going to unprotect the [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal] page, remove the redirect and delete the rather useless stub in [[Community Portal Alias]]. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I think that's ok --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 14:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Um... the roguebasin itself has a reason. When Jeff last tried to do it his attempts were thwarted by data base error. I would be surprised and grateful if you somehow managed to make it happen. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Well, I'm back and I finally did it. Now we just need to know what actually goes in a [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal]. :-P [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]] 09:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== NetHack poll news-worthy? ==<br />
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Is the [http://nethack-de.sf.net/poll.html NetHack poll for current and former player] a news-worthy item?<br />
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The news section is labelled 'New Roguelike Releases' so I guess rather not? --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 11:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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[[elig]]: I think usually temple of the roguelike handles news related stuff like that. Although, maybe we should have some kind of a more general news feed on here? What does everyone else think?<br />
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== Template change suggestion for handling released / updated data ==<br />
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In an effort to a) make the data for 'updated' and 'released' more consistent and b) make it easier to handle by the IRLDB I'm going to suggest splitting up the 'updated' and 'released' information into two fields each. One for the date, and one for the relevant version number.<br />
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See [[Brogue]] and [[Template:Game-stable]] for how this could work.<br />
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This would also be a good opportunity to decide on a common date format. I would suggest that <br />
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: [[User:Ido|Ido]] Go for it! 12:02, 13 July 2010<br />
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: If you want a date with the year in front don't do "2009 Mar 12". It looks ugly as hell and is extremely uncommon. The only reasonable leading year format that is also widely used would be ISO 8601: "2009-03-12". --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 10:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Large amount of new accounts? ==<br />
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It seems a large number of new accounts have been created today (12 September 2010). All these accounts seem to have no edits. Does anyone know about this? It looks strange. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks like the start of a spambot invasion. Personally I would remove all these. (Note how they start to look like normal usenames, with some additional random chars at the end).--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 20:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Looking at the [[Special:Log/newusers|user creation log]], it seems that usernames of that format have been created since 6 August. Therefore, this appears to be a planned invasion, so I think we'll have to act quickly to get rid of the accounts (I predict it will happen around October, because the first account was made on 6/7/8 August, then 2/3/11/12 September). The order of the text in the names seems to be: randomly generated username (possibly a fantasy random name generator?), then 4-11 random characters. Most of these accounts are easy to spot, because their contribs link is red in the log. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::To me it looks more like ongoing invasion. These accounts do not make much spam because captcha seems to prevent it most of the time. Still it would not hurt to delete them.<br />
:::<b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::It appears that the spammers have started making new pages. Fortunately [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] has deleted these so far. Deleting these spam accounts and blocking the IP of those accounts is a good idea right now. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I'm working on getting Bureaucrat access so that I can administer users and eradicate the spammers. For now, I'll keep deleting their posts as they pop up. [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 20:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright status of pages edited ever since the wiki stopped telling editors that they GFDL their edits ==<br />
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Hi all,<br />
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RogueBasin has sometimes required contributors to release their work under the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GNU Free Documentation License] and sometimes not. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here?<br />
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[[RogueBasin:About]] says this wiki was hosted at [http://roguebasin.swiki.net roguebasin.swiki.net], then [http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net], and now is hosted at [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org].<br />
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I've tried for a while but haven't managed to get the Internet Archive's [http://web.archive.org Wayback Machine] to show me any part of the wiki as it existed at swiki.net. What copyright license did the wiki use back then?<br />
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At t-o-m-e.net, RogueBasin indicated that it was GFDLed. See [http://web.archive.org/web/20060718204357/http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net/index.php/Main_Page the Main Page as it was in mid-2006] for example. At the bottom, it says "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2." When a MediaWiki-based wiki says that, it almost always MediaWiki tells editors that when they click "Save page", they agree to release their contributions under the GFDL. We can safely assume that RogueBasin did so back then.<br />
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Here at roguelikedevelopment.org, RogueBasin has no license information at the bottom of the page, and while I'm editing a page, it only says "Please note that all contributions to RogueBasin may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. ... You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource ... ."<br />
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In [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3305#msg3305 the "Future of RogueBasin" thread at roguetemple.com], Paul Blay wrote "Articles in RogueBasin are those which are under either the 'GNU Free Documentation License 1.2' (most of them) or a modified version that doesn't allow the content to be modified (a handful or two, I guess). There should be no problem with copying them to another site as long as they remain under the same license." I think he meant those articles which were posted to Usenet by a single author then copied here later.<br />
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But many of our pages here, like the [[NetHack]] page and the [[Angband]] page, have been written by many wiki contributors. So, at one point, contributors agreed, when they clicked "Save page", that their work was GFDLed. Later on, further contributors didn't agree to such a thing. The GFDL frowns upon this: it seems to me to require that if you modify a GFDLed work and distribute the modified work (e.g. by saving it on a public wiki server), your changes must be released under the GFDL.<br />
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What's the copyright status of the pages which were once all-GFDL and now are not?<br />
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Cheers, --[[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)<br />
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4DRL Template: There is now a [[Template:Game-4drl|game-4drl]] template for use in the entries to the 4DRL challenge! (use this instead of game-stable, game-alpha, game-7drl, etc.) <small>--The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Nolithius]] [[User talk:Nolithius|(talk)]], 17:57, 28 October 2010.</small></div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=RogueBasin_talk:Community_Portal&diff=22402RogueBasin talk:Community Portal2010-10-06T20:24:43Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Copyright status of pages edited ever since the wiki stopped telling editors that they GFDL their edits */ new section</p>
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== Game Announcements ==<br />
If you have a new game/version/release to announce to the world, Make an edit to the [[News]] page, and please follow the existing format. If you want to generate discussion and receive feedback and comments, make sure to head over to [http://roguetemple.com RogueTemple] and use their forums, as well as [[rgrd]]. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:21, 16 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Link breaks wiki, News at 11 ==<br />
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The following link (from 'dead-end pages') fails to display anything other than nasty error messages. Possibly due to illegal characters in title?<br />
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Other 'bug'ish news. [[SDL]] exists, but searching for SDL will return zero hits. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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The error with Hansjoergs page are not because of illegal characters in the URL. They should be valid even though they look like at least twice encoded in Unicode. There seems to something terrible broken recently with non 7-bit characters. Database update maybe? Try searching for any special character like e.g. '????' (U+00C4 "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS" if it gets mangled). Even the db search bails with an error. --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 15:58, 23 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== Spambots ==<br />
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There was a small spambot attack recently, dunno how they overrid the spam protection (what is the current spam protection)? I had no luck blocking them via the sysop special pages. Is there any way to delete user accounts?<br />
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--[[User:Slash|Slash]] 01:08, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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I think it may be useful to update MediaWiki software to the latest version. The one that's currently installed is so old, the mind boggles. The current version has captchas and other stuff, and it's much easier to revert vandalism. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:23, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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IIRC Bj????rn set up the latest version when the server translation was performed? Also, this is plain vandalism, not even spam (deleting '+' and everything after a '&', what use would that have?<br />
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:It can't be the latest version. For example when you look at the diff between two revisions, there's no link to edit the revision. This feature was in Wikipedia since I joined it, probably, and that was very long time ago. So, to revert vandalism one has to click three times instead of two, pretty annoying. I don't know, maybe it's configured incorrectly, but it definitely looks very outdated. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:52, 13 Apr 2007 (CEST)<br />
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:It's definitely an old version, the [[Special:Version]] page shows as using version 1.3.9 ''(The 1.3.x line was last updated in November 2005)''. The newest release is 1.10.0 although most modern versions of MediaWiki require PHP5 though ''(since version 1.7)''. The latest version that still supports PHP4 is 1.6.10 available [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download here]. 1.6.10 was released on 20th February 2007. -- [[User:Pucechan|Pucechan]] 01:18, 28 May 2007 (CEST)<br />
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::THe Wiki is currently running MediaWiki 1.6.10. Hopefully we won't see any more spam attacks. -- Bjorn 09:50 3 Jul 2007<br />
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There was another spammer, although it could be a person doing it, rather than a bot. It was [[User:Yaxiaexx099|this account]] doing it, and [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Dalhxf&oldid=12449 this] was was what he did.<br />
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Here we go again, looks like the spambots are returning? Three new pages filled with.. something. [[Aldan|Here]], [[Generosity|here]] and [[Nourished|here]], created by three (new?) users in a short succession. Are there any anti-spambot guidelines somewhere, since I'm not sure of what to do, except for reporting? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 23:48, 8 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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:Wonder if there is any way we can give rights to some users to approve new users so we dont have these spambots sign up, or we need to modify the captcha code to stop this crap. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:31, 12 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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::I would suggest try giving a selected few, trusted users the rights to approve new users. The use of CAPTCHAs is kinda useless as of today (well, except for scaring off scriptkiddies), since it's an out of date "security measure" and there's some various techniques to bypass it. It's also a problem for ie, visual impaired people having trouble reading the characters (more info over at wikipedia, for those of you not being convinced it's a crappy technology..). [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 15:50, 23 January 2009 (CET)<br />
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== All those guides! ==<br />
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Where did all those good guides at http://www.roguelikedevelopment.org/ go? according to the news, the content has been moved to this wiki but I can't find any of those guides! me want's 'em badly!<br />
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:Sorry, I meant of course that alot of guides are missing, as least most of the map algorithm stuff previously found on the old site is missing here at the wiki. Anyone got copies of those guides, please? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 14:28, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::And you looked in the map section of [[Articles]]? All the ones I recall are there. Perhaps you can use the wayback machine to calculate which ones seem to be missing? [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 17:12, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::lol, the wayback what..? No, realy, I know there's alot missing from the site. Some examples are the guides written by Mike Anderson (Dungeon-Building Algorithm, Fractal Landscapes) and Radomir "The Sheep" Dopieralski (Recursive LvL Generation) [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 17:52, 23 January 2008 (CET)<br />
::::Look at this URL. It is from www.archive.org, the wayback machine for the Internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20060114055601/http://roguelikedevelopment.org/ but before you go adding all of the articles to the wiki, you should know that there was some effort to move them over, but only if the original authors could be found to give permission. So you should check with an admin here about what to do. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 08:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
:::::Oh crap, I thought I could just go and add what I managed to find, since it had already been released on the site o.0' Pardon me, I'm too quick sometimes, doing stuff without thinking first. <br /> But, IMHO, not moving over all that stuff just because the original author couldn't be found kinda buggers me, that's just wast of time and good knowledge, stupidlly forcing to "reinvent the wheel". And it buggers me even more, since obvisiouly (spelling?) it can still be found on the web thanks to that wayback machine you're talking about (thanks for that link btw, would've never thought of that). <br /> Thanks for telling me dude, I'll try slowing down/backing off and poke an admin about it before doing anything else.<br /> <br />Anyway, should the "previously missing" [[Dungeon-Building Algorithm]] article I dug up yesterday be removed, or just leave it for now and hope for the better? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 13:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)<br />
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::::::Is there any chance of the articles being reposted on the original site until they can be ported here? They're only text documents, and a number of them were very good references. Most of the original files are not stored on wayback machine, so forn ow they are lost for good. [[User:lapoubelle|lapoubelle]] 30 April 2008<br />
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I have spent most of today searching for and collecting all of the articles that were on the old system but not on roguebasin. I was able to recover all but two. Those two and links to the archives are at [[User:Duerig]]. That way they should be safe until we can decide how to handle them. If the admins have a problem with this, I'll host them on my own domain if I have to. Let me know if you can find information on either of the two remaining articles. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 21:53, 1 May 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== Game or project? ==<br />
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Template [[Template:Angband-variant]] asks for status field. Then game entry is added to "status games" category. This works well for stable games and defunct games but fails for alpha, beta and talkie talkie *projects*. Thus any Angband variants which classify themselves as having alpha or beta status do not get included in proper category. Any ideas how to correct that without destroying too much existing work? I would opt for removing status field and adding all variants to categories manually. Other choice is to spilt template into several like it was done with [[Template:Gameinfo]]. What are others opinions on this? <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 16:18, 19 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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: I think the best bet is to split the template like the Gameinfo did. I presume there was a good reason to do that split rather than use the status field cleverly. I don't like people having to manually add the category tag as that will result in people forgetting to categorize the variant at all. --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 05:21, 21 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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:: Foundations are lain. I am going to wait some more time before proceeding to change all Angband variant pages in case better ideas show up or someone has objections. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:03, 25 August 2008 (CEST)<br />
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== 1krl ==<br />
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We should add this to the wiki, but I'm not sure where.<br />
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== Rule of thumb for new -> old news? ==<br />
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How many months (or how many posts) should be in [[News]] before you should move some to Old News? I would suggest that four months or so is enough as the 'News' section is currently longer than the rest of the Main page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:I think that we should move all news from 2008 to Old News. We actually don't really need the [[News]] page to show news older than a month, as it is intended to show '''new''' releases. I will move all news from 2008 now. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 22:34, 22 March 2009 (CET)<br />
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== More bug-ish behaviour - support for unicode/multi-byte characters ==<br />
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I've just noticed that Japanese text typed in my user page spontaneously changed into gibberish (technically 'mojibake' ;-). The interesting point is that '''initially''' it displayed properly, only after a day or two did it turn into unintelligible characters. Similar behaviour can be seen at [[POWDER/Russian translation]]. For test purposes I will now write something in Japanese. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
: My bet is someone used a browser that didnt handle jis/utf or whatever encoding properly and saved it back... your test string is nothing but ?????? to my browser... (ff3.5) [[User:Stu|Stu]] 19:59, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Nope. Because it happens to me and Japanese works just fine with Firefox elsewhere (including other wikis). I should test whether it still happens on the new Mediawiki version. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Testing now ... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????[[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Nah, it still stuffs up. :-( [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
::: Will see what I can do tonight --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 13:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
::: I believe it may be down to encoding on the MySQL database - it may need switching to unicode (UTF-8, off the top of my head?) as what is probably happening is that it's being munged into single bytes which make no sense. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 13:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== talkie = pre-alpha / planning ? ==<br />
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The 'talkie' category appears to be a little off compared to the line-up of "alpha, beta, stable". Should I understand it to include games that are pre-alpha / planning or should "pre-alpha" be a new category? <br />
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A significant number of 'alpha' projects include no download. I was under the impression that 'alpha' meant that you could run it and see something even though it might not be a playable game yet. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Yes, I think that games that are in 'alpha' but have no downloads should be moved to 'talkie'. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:23, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Image uploads? ==<br />
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I see that file uploads are disabled. I'd like to be able to upload a few small icons for alpha/beta/stable/defunct (after I find/create them ;-). If I can't do it myself, is there an admin who I could email or something? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:It's not possible to upload files, but you can use images from other sites. Put the image's URL on the page, without any special formatting (look at [[Downfall]] for an example). If you need a site to upload to, I recommend [http://imgur.com/ Imgur]. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:26, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== RGRD Wiki Project ==<br />
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I see this hasn't had any new names added since August 2008. As such perhaps it shouldn't be so prominent in the Contribute section. Maybe ...<br />
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If you'd like to contribute to RogueBasin, simply create an account and log in. Feel very free to edit! We especially need more information added to the [[:category:roguelike games|games pages]] and the [[list of roguelike games|lists]] - if you're a developer, consider updating your game's page, and making sure that it (and you) are included in the relevant lists.<br />
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:I think this will be fine. You can go ahead and change it if you want. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 23:27, 12 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New main page ==<br />
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I like the appearance of the new main page :) --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 05:32, 13 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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I like it too, nice work! I'd like the contribute part to be blue though, [[User:Colonp/maintest]].. Not perfect right now. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 04:17, 17 April 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== STATUS in game templates ==<br />
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Are these lines left over from an earlier set of templates? Can the STATUS information safely be called redundant and removed? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: Yes, it can be safely thrown away if not done yet. It is a leftover from old [[:Template:Gameinfo]] template. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:05, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== 'roguelikes' section of Main page. ==<br />
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I think that ''influential'' would be clearer (and less controversial) than ''popular''. There are arguably many recent roguelike games that are more popular than ToME, but few (if any) that have been more influential. <br />
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I suggest that [[Major roguelikes|Major Roguelikes]], [[Roguelike Reviews]], [[Tree of roguelike evolution]], and [[Recently Updated Roguelikes]] be added to the 'inclusion' page [[list of roguelikes|Lists of Roguelikes]], and the text changed as below:<br />
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<div style="text-align:center">[[ADOM]] '''·''' [[Angband]] '''·''' [[Crawl]] '''·''' [[NetHack]] '''·''' [[ToME]]</div><br />
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Since the control systems of these Roguelikes are geared towards "expert" players, the novice player may be interested in trying a 'lighter' game like some of the '''[[coffeebreak roguelike]]s''' or just dive in at the deep end and find a '''[[:Category:Roguelike_games|game]]''' to suit you.<strike>. The following may help you find out more: <br />
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See [[Talk:List of roguelikes]] for possible replacement for the content of that page. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Featured game section? ==<br />
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How about a 'featured game' section (bottom left of main page). Suggested content: Short description, mini-review, link to RogueBasin page and main review (if present). I'd suggest choosing games that have been updated in the last month and are at least 'beta'. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: Well, I've done one. Maybe someone will replace it with a different game in a week or two. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:: Looks great! I actually have a C64 in a joystick system that has this game on it. [[User:Elig|elig]]<br />
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: Thanks to [[User:Ido|Ido]] for putting up a new featured roguelike. I was just thinking it was about time I got around to doing that ;-) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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An archive of former featured roguelikes would be nice. Not quite sure how the layout of such a page should be though. Maybe just make seperate pages for each and add category:featured.. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 23:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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[[User:Colonp|ColorP]]: I've created [[:Category:Featured Roguelikes]] with a backlog of featured roguelikes by date, and attached that category to all roguelikes that have been featured. If you'd like to see the previous featured roguelike pages, take look at the history of [[Featured roguelike]]. Cheers! [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 04:44, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: I didn't think of looking at the history.. Nice work! I've added a link to the category on the front page. [[User:Colonp|Colonp]] 16:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Location instead of Nationality? ==<br />
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In the developer info, I think it would be more fun to have a Location option instead of a Nationality option. With location, people can put in however much information on their location they want. They could type things like "Sacramento, CA, USA" or just "Arizona, USA" or even "France". The Nationality field limits this information purely to the country where the person is from, which in many cases might not be as interesting as the state in that country that the person lives in. <br />
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So, the advantage with using the word Location instead is that it provides people the flexibility to put in however much or little information they want, and it can still contain the exact same information that Nationality does. Also, upgrading is easy because we can just replace all instances of Nationality with Location. Although this might be considered a minor issue because people can enter their state and so on into the Nationality field, the Nationality field still encourages new contributions to contain as little information as possible on the location of the developer. Renaming it Location would encourage them to put in as much information as they wanted to. - [[elig]]<br />
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: I'm not hard against it, but it doesn't sound that great a move. I doubt the excitement would keep you awake at nights if I told you that I live in Wiltshire now but Berkshire before I moved. ;-) States are mostly only going to be interesting if you happen to live in the same country. That said, go ahead and do it if you want, it's no big deal either way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: The biggest problem with this is that every developer would have to change their developer info. It would be better to create a new template with the nationality changed to location, but then some developers would have a "location" field and others would have a "nationality" field, which could be confusing. I don't think it's worth it to change it. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 00:38, 8 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Important links on front page? ==<br />
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What about having some closely related important community links on the front page? There are very few major resources aside from Roguebasin, pretty much just Temple of the Roguelike, the rgrd newsgroup, #rgrd and Temple of the Roguelike's forums. The RGRD links are currently under articles, perhaps for lack of a better place. They're not articles and it seems a little confusing to me to have them under there. Links might be appropriate, but since there are so few other major resources for the roguelike community, why not highlight them directly on the main page? I feel this would really help people who find Roguebasin for the first time to enter the community. At least, I think all these links should be placed in a single location that is easy to access and properly labeled. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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I have now added this to the front page, to show how I think it might look. Feel free to take it off ofcourse if you absolutely hate it, but I think it could be a valuable addition to the front page. Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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# Although I like "Temple of the Roguelike" it doesn't really need two links.<br />
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# r.g.r.d Newsgroup and R.G.R.D IRC Chatroom could have direct links as well as (instead of?) the links to RogueBasin pages.* <br />
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# You've just stolen the space I wanted to use for the "Featured game section" ;-) (But I can't complain too much as I didn't take the time away from [[Angband/65]] development to feature even one game)<br />
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NOTE: r.g.r.d Newsgroup should probably have a Google groups link - many people won't have a browser that supports things like news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.pocketpc. If there was a browser equivalent for IRC:// I'd probably say the same about that.<br />
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Featured games is a good idea. We can always put it above or below the community links. But it should definitely have a featured games thing on the front page. The other changes are all good, I'll probably just leave the Temple of the Roguelike forum, since this page already has news physically on it. The r.g.r.d. newsgroup should be a direct google link IMO as well. IRC I think it would be better to have a seperate page for, just because there's no easy way to specify an IRC server's address, to my knowledge. I'll also add angband.oook.cz - [[elig]]<br />
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I've also added a temporary space for the future featured Roguelike section. Feel free to remove/edit it of course. Just figured I'd reserve the space :) Also, feel free to put it above the Roguelike community links if you want. Also, what about having the featured roguelike at the very top of the page? Like, in the space where "What is a Roguelike?" is now, with "What is a Roguelike?" right below it? It might be something neat to entice any new visitors to try a Roguelike. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Specific games.. ==<br />
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http://angband.oook.cz/ is not about a single game, it is about an entire genre of roguelike games. As evidenced by the fact that there are 82 *band variants in the [[List of Angband variants]]. There are at least as many posts on variants as on 'vanilla' Angband and frankly it gets more traffic than http://www.roguetemple.com/ by a long way. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:Okay. From the description of the site, I assumed it was primarily about Angband. I didn't even look at the site. I will re-add it. :) [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:50, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Reorganize site? ==<br />
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Right now, this site serves two main purposes: to describe existing Roguelike games and have articles about creating new Roguelikes. I think that at least for the average user, it might be confusing to have the two "mixed" like they are. For example, I think the news section of the main page should be divided into two sections: games and development tools. What do you think? [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:54, 14 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: I don't think the development tools should be split out of news, but I do agree that something of a reorganisation is needed. The site is, IMO, more accessible for game information than it is for development help. The great majority of game information is in one of two types - 1) Lists and categories, 2) Individual game information. That is basically all that's needed - ways of finding a suitable game efficiently and information on the game itself. <br />
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: Development articles (and related content) are trickier. For one thing I suspect many of the articles may be old fashioned. There are also quite a few articles that are 'locked' (can't be edited). They are spread around between different languages and I think there are big gaps in difficulty level between them. What I think would be great would be if there was a series of articles all in the same language (preferably one accessible to new learners and usable on many platforms) that cover all major aspects of development. Don't worry about having the most efficient algorithms, worry more about understandability and consistency between articles. Make use of stable libraries if appropriate. Basically with the intent that someone starting at the first article and finishing at the last could go from newbie to having made a basic functional roguelike game. That series could form a stable "trunk" and generous inclusion of links to other relevant articles would provide branches off to the details and options that more experienced developers (and those using other languages) will need. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: I think that's a good idea. It might be best to use [[Python]], because it is easy to learn, fast to develop in, and portable. It's slow (some say it's 100 times slower than C++), but as you said, efficiency isn't very important. I have some experience with Python, so I could help write some of the articles. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 01:42, 15 May 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: As I understand it the latest version has improved quite markedly in speed, hasn't it? <br />
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::: I'm pretty much booked up working on [[Angband/65]] as far as my free time goes up till the end of August so I'm afraid I won't be of much use (and I don't know python). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: Definitely, the game info is far more accessable than the development info. What we're desperately lacking is more information on development, a better organization of that information, and a better way to access that information. I'm not entirely sure how to fix these problems, except for maybe creating a generic Roguelike Development page that is linked to from the front page. Aside from that, I'm not sure. :\ I've thought about adding articles from time to time, but I never know what to name them or where to properly add them. - [[elig]]<br />
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== Library template(s) ==<br />
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I've added [[Template:Library]] and applied it to the pages in category:library. While doing so two points came up to be resolved: <br />
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1. Should there be -alpha, -beta, -stable and -defunct divisions for libraries?<br />
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2. Should [[Roguelike Library For Java]] and [[Roguelike Library For Perl]] be changed to use the library template I added? <br />
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P.S. Feel free to change / or comment on the library template I made. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: IMO all libraries should follow the same format, and I love the alpha beta stable etc. thing. Sounds good to me! - [[elig]]<br />
:: I also like that curses uses a library like template to specify that curses is a series of libraries. [[elig]]<br />
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== Who's minding the store? ==<br />
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That is to say, who is it that does the admin stuff like delete pages in the delete category, pay for the domain name, update the mediawiki version? I'm just asking because it would be a real shame if I came back here one day and it was all 404'ed or something. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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Not sure, might be slashie. I was thinking of just such an awful idea myself recently. Maybe we should start some kind of fund to financially support roguebasin. Erowid for instance has a non-profit donation based organization that pays their bills. Of course, we wouldn't be able to do anything nearly so fancy, but a paypal account and the ability to donate might be nice... Thoughts? - [[elig]]<br />
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:: I just now noticed the PayPal donate button on the lower left side of the page. Is that new? I definitely think it should be given a more prominent place on the website if it is! Maybe a nice spot on the front page, and one on the left right under the logo, maybe. Glad to see this place has a donate button now, though! Everybody donate! :D [[elig]]<br />
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::: That's been there forever. Before everybody donates I think someone should email the address shown and see if you get a reply. (I don't think Bjorn has edited anything here all the time I've been here?). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:: This is being discussed at http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413 , thanks for your interest! --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 07:18, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== Wiki backup / duplicate? ==<br />
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With the current situation (not sure who runs RogueBasin, not sure who has the admin account for the wiki, out of date mediawiki version) would it be possible for someone to duplicate / backup the wiki content? Worst case it wouldn't all be lost if it goes south. Best case someone might be willing to set up a new host with better spam-protection and less bugs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::I agree, it would be a great benefit to the entire community if we were able to duplicate/mirror this wiki. If anyone could duplicate it, we could set up some mirrors in case the main site ever goes down. Plus, this has the added advantage of independent members of the community being able to download a backup copy. We definitely need an easy way to mirror/download/backup Roguebasin, IMO. [[elig]]<br />
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::: There's a special page for Exporting pages for import to another '''MediaWiki''' wiki. [[Special:Export]]. Not sure how well it works. Or you can ''just'' manually copy each page source. Possibly to a wiki host like PBWorks ??? [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::: I have written/grabbed a few scripts to begin automating the backup process and I've also used them to make a complete backup of the roguebasin wiki. Both the scripts and the initial backup are available in a package at: EDIT: Download scripts at http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ /EDIT so grab a copy and keep it just in case. If somebody feels ambitious, they can finish automating the process. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 07:05, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:::: This is awesome, Duerig! This is exactly what we needed! :D Thank you. I'm going to download it right away. [[elig]] Edit: After having downloaded it, this really is EXACTLY what we need. This is fantastic. Everyone should download this. [[elig]]<br />
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::::: Ha-ha, maybe not *everyone* (surely there are bandwidth concerns?). But great news and thanks Duerig. I have just downloaded it and will experiment with how easy it is to set-up elsewhere. (It's not a backup until you've tested the restore process! ;-) I'll report in the Temple of the Roguelike thread. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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:::::: Given your enthusiasm, I decided to bite the bullet and finish automating the process. Download the scripts and run 'backup.sh' and everything will be done for you including downloading the actual xml files and compressing them into a tarball with the current date. I converted a piece of my webspace into backup storage and I've set up a cron job to make monthly backups and stash them there. Fully automated backup scripts at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin-backup-scripts.zip and backup index at: http://www.xmission.com/~tyrecius/roguebasin/backups/ I plan to leave things running and available until/unless my provider complains. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 09:32, 2 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::::::: Scautura has made the [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3322#new very generous offer] to supply ad-free wiki hosting. Depending on whether we get any replies from Bjorn (and what those replies are) I think it might be a good idea to move RogueBasin. Obviously it will still be a good idea to make regular backups whatever else happens. Otherwise YourWiki looks like a possibility for temporary / emergency backup location. I'll be waiting a while to see how things proceed before doing more. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::::: Duerig comes through once again! This is absolutely amazing stuff, and exactly what we need. Thank you! Now I can start a torrent based on the backups/ directory. This is awesome! :D [[elig]]<br />
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== Weird error? ==<br />
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Every time I search for Bjorn or Bergstrom the search crashes. I was trying to figure out when the new paypal button was added by searching for Bjorn Bergstrom and then seeing when he added it. Unfortunately, it crashes. Any idea why? [[elig]]<br />
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: I've seen this before. Unfortunately I can't remember the exact reason for the problem (or where I wrote about it) but I think it's got something to do with the content of the pages searched for (possibly related to the way non-ascii characters get messed up). [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== The Roguebasin torrent! ==<br />
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Here is a torrent for the most recent backup of the Roguebasin. I'll be seeding it at 50kb/s pretty much forever. Remember, seeding this is completely legal and supports the preservation of the Roguebasin, so please seed!<br />
[http://www.mininova.org/tor/2742707 Get the torrent here!]<br />
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::You can also save the copy on [http://www.adrive.com/static/storageplans_basic Adrive] or [http://skydrive.live.com Skydrive] --[[User:Pilotpirx|Pilotpirx]] 11:36, 8 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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== New spammers ==<br />
Think its time to update the wiki again? or do something with captha or something to lock new users... the spam is coming thick and fast [[User:Stu|Stu]] 17:39, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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: It might be best to have an administrator activate each account before it can be used. This would prevent the spam, and there aren't very many new accounts, so it wouldn't be too tedious. Another option would be to disallow accounts with "buy" in the name. We would need an administrator to do either of these, and it would be useful to have more administrators. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:23, 10 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
:: Right its time someone locked new users down until something can be organised. its beyond ridiculous now. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 18:41, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
::: The wiki is currently in a transition period. The old ops had been idle for quite a while (see comments above and linked thread on TotRL). Slash has just recently been given shell access so he can set things up. I believe that he is planning on upgrading the wiki software and take other measures to prevent spam. While he figures out a permanent solution, we should try to keep things as clean as we can. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (CEST)<br />
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::: Hello people, I was performing the upgrade but I ran into some problems with the PHP version... hope to have it fixed tomorrow -- [[Slash]]<br />
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: New captcha measures have been installed, I hope we will have a better time with spambots now --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 18:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: The spam seems to have slowed a bit, but it definitely has not stopped. Are you using a generic captcha? Perhaps something that requires some basic knowledge of roguelike games would work better (I know the original Dudley's dungeon used Nethack-based questions and I never saw it get spammed.) [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: Revised opinion: This is not working. You either need a different form of captcha or accounts need to be approved by a human. [[User:Rdanhenry|Rdanhenry]] 09:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Or possibly more sysops able to block IP ranges (on the technical side, are all those 'fullmassage' spammers from the same IP?) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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::::: Paul Blay has been appointed as a SysOp, about 330 spammers have been deleted --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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::: I am using "reCaptcha", which is a popular captcha plugin (which may not be a good choice, as popular security measures are the first target for spammers), human approval proved to be clumsy in the past, but if the situation scales we will go that way. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:27, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== Roguebasin mediawiki updated to 1.15.0 ==<br />
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Well, the upgrade is finished. Let's collect all things broken here. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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<s>1. I noticed the images can no longer be referred to using only the url, so we will have to fix them up --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s> Fixed --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 00:28, 14 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== (re)Captcha is broken! (or not) ==<br />
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It doesn't matter what you type, the update goes through anyway. No wonder we've been spammed to heck. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
:In theory, reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word, such that there is one word to check against, and one that they are trying to figure out - if the known word is correct, it doesn't matter what the other word is. Sounds like someone's fouled up with the code on their end and neither word matters. [[User:Scautura|Scautura]] 12:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: "reCaptcha should give you one "known" word, and one "unknown" word" Oh, I didn't realize that. I'm not sure if it's working or not now. I'll have to check. I just linked 'google' to get a reCapture prompt and it didn't ask for one. o_O???. Oddly reCapture prompts have been appearing when I haven't added any new URLs. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I just tested and reCaptcha is working when creating a new account? and there's no way to edit pages if you dont have one... am I missing something obvious? --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 12:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: I think I was misunderstanding the reCapture system. Scautura noted that you only have to get one of the words correct, right? I didn't know that. Before I was 'sysop'ed I was getting a reCapture prompt on all edits that added a new external URL. I was also getting a reCapture prompt on quite a few edits that ''didn't'' add an external URL, but I'm not sure what all that was about. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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== Community Portal ==<br />
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Unless someone can suggest a reason I shouldn't I'm going to unprotect the [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal] page, remove the redirect and delete the rather useless stub in [[Community Portal Alias]]. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]<br />
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: I think that's ok --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 14:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)<br />
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: Um... the roguebasin itself has a reason. When Jeff last tried to do it his attempts were thwarted by data base error. I would be surprised and grateful if you somehow managed to make it happen. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 11:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:: Well, I'm back and I finally did it. Now we just need to know what actually goes in a [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=RogueBasin:Community_Portal&redirect=no RogueBasin Community Portal]. :-P [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]] 09:27, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== NetHack poll news-worthy? ==<br />
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Is the [http://nethack-de.sf.net/poll.html NetHack poll for current and former player] a news-worthy item?<br />
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The news section is labelled 'New Roguelike Releases' so I guess rather not? --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 11:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)<br />
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[[elig]]: I think usually temple of the roguelike handles news related stuff like that. Although, maybe we should have some kind of a more general news feed on here? What does everyone else think?<br />
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== Template change suggestion for handling released / updated data ==<br />
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In an effort to a) make the data for 'updated' and 'released' more consistent and b) make it easier to handle by the IRLDB I'm going to suggest splitting up the 'updated' and 'released' information into two fields each. One for the date, and one for the relevant version number.<br />
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See [[Brogue]] and [[Template:Game-stable]] for how this could work.<br />
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This would also be a good opportunity to decide on a common date format. I would suggest that <br />
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c) day of month is displayed without the NNth NNst NNrd, etc., notation - saves space.<br />
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For me that gives the prime candidates as ...<br />
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Mar 12, 2009<br />
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2009 Mar 12<br />
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Advantage of first option - Arguably looks nicer<br />
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Advantage of second option - Year is first so it will sort nicer in text sorting.<br />
[[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]] 09:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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: [[User:Ido|Ido]] Go for it! 12:02, 13 July 2010<br />
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: If you want a date with the year in front don't do "2009 Mar 12". It looks ugly as hell and is extremely uncommon. The only reasonable leading year format that is also widely used would be ISO 8601: "2009-03-12". --[[User:Bhaak|Bhaak]] 10:19, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Large amount of new accounts? ==<br />
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It seems a large number of new accounts have been created today (12 September 2010). All these accounts seem to have no edits. Does anyone know about this? It looks strange. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:25, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Looks like the start of a spambot invasion. Personally I would remove all these. (Note how they start to look like normal usenames, with some additional random chars at the end).--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 20:27, 12 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
:: Looking at the [[Special:Log/newusers|user creation log]], it seems that usernames of that format have been created since 6 August. Therefore, this appears to be a planned invasion, so I think we'll have to act quickly to get rid of the accounts (I predict it will happen around October, because the first account was made on 6/7/8 August, then 2/3/11/12 September). The order of the text in the names seems to be: randomly generated username (possibly a fantasy random name generator?), then 4-11 random characters. Most of these accounts are easy to spot, because their contribs link is red in the log. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:20, 13 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::To me it looks more like ongoing invasion. These accounts do not make much spam because captcha seems to prevent it most of the time. Still it would not hurt to delete them.<br />
:::<b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:52, 14 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::It appears that the spammers have started making new pages. Fortunately [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] has deleted these so far. Deleting these spam accounts and blocking the IP of those accounts is a good idea right now. --[[User:Linlem|Linlem]] 19:30, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I'm working on getting Bureaucrat access so that I can administer users and eradicate the spammers. For now, I'll keep deleting their posts as they pop up. [[User:Nolithius|Nolithius]] 20:08, 16 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copyright status of pages edited ever since the wiki stopped telling editors that they GFDL their edits ==<br />
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Hi all,<br />
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RogueBasin has sometimes required contributors to release their work under the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License GNU Free Documentation License] and sometimes not. So what's the effective copyright status of the pages here?<br />
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[[RogueBasin:About]] says this wiki was hosted at [http://roguebasin.swiki.net roguebasin.swiki.net], then [http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net], and now is hosted at [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org].<br />
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I've tried for a while but haven't managed to get the Internet Archive's [http://web.archive.org Wayback Machine] to show me any part of the wiki as it existed at swiki.net. What copyright license did the wiki use back then?<br />
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At t-o-m-e.net, RogueBasin indicated that it was GFDLed. See [http://web.archive.org/web/20060718204357/http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net/index.php/Main_Page the Main Page as it was in mid-2006] for example. At the bottom, it says "Content is available under GNU Free Documentation License 1.2." When a MediaWiki-based wiki says that, it almost always MediaWiki tells editors that when they click "Save page", they agree to release their contributions under the GFDL. We can safely assume that RogueBasin did so back then.<br />
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Here at roguelikedevelopment.org, RogueBasin has no license information at the bottom of the page, and while I'm editing a page, it only says "Please note that all contributions to RogueBasin may be edited, altered, or removed by other contributors. ... You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource ... ."<br />
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In [http://www.roguetemple.com/forums/index.php?topic=413.msg3305#msg3305 the "Future of RogueBasin" thread at roguetemple.com], Paul Blay wrote "Articles in RogueBasin are those which are under either the 'GNU Free Documentation License 1.2' (most of them) or a modified version that doesn't allow the content to be modified (a handful or two, I guess). There should be no problem with copying them to another site as long as they remain under the same license." I think he meant those articles which were posted to Usenet by a single author then copied here later.<br />
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But many of our pages here, like the [[NetHack]] page and the [[Angband]] page, have been written by many wiki contributors. So, at one point, contributors agreed, when they clicked "Save page", that their work was GFDLed. Later on, further contributors didn't agree to such a thing. The GFDL frowns upon this: it seems to me to require that if you modify a GFDLed work and distribute the modified work (e.g. by saving it on a public wiki server), your changes must be released under the GFDL.<br />
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What's the copyright status of the pages which were once all-GFDL and now are not?<br />
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Cheers, --[[User:Unforgettableid|Unforgettableid]] 20:24, 6 October 2010 (UTC)</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Category:Handheld_roguelikes&diff=22327Category:Handheld roguelikes2010-09-29T17:38:34Z<p>Unforgettableid: +</p>
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<div>The main article for this category is [[List of handheld roguelikes]].<br />
[[category:roguelike games]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=21692List of handheld roguelikes2010-07-27T20:57:49Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Game Boy Advance */ change "these" to "the following", and change indentation</p>
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<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
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Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
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Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
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== Multiple platforms ==<br />
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* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[FAangband]] [http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/Downloads.html] (for NDS, Windows CE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for GBA, NDS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
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== Calculators ==<br />
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* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
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== Cell phones ==<br />
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Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Android OS, Symbian OS, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
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=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
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* [[100 Rogues]] [http://www.100rogues.com] - a fully animated, original roguelike developed for the iPhone<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
* [[NetHack for iPhone]] [http://www.centralcore.co.uk/iphone/] (requires [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+OR+iphone+jailbreak jailbreaking]; also, you must run the command ROWS=16 in MobileTerminal.app before starting it, or else it's almost unplayable)[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/0916af9fe0891065/#18bdb867cdf6442a]<br />
* [[iNetHack]] [http://code.google.com/p/inethack/] (iPhone port availabe on the AppStore)<br />
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=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones only ===<br />
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* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
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=== Java Micro Edition (J2ME) enabled devices ===<br />
Handsets from practically all major manufacturers (except Apple's iPhone) are able to run J2ME games and applications.<br />
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* [[Dweller]]<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[MIDP RL]]<br />
* [[Roguelike Mobile]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines 2]]<br />
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=== Android OS devices ===<br />
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* [[Dweller]]<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
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=== Symbian OS ===<br />
Development of Symbian OS only applications is made using C/C++. Symbian OS is primarily found on smartphones from Nokia. Symbian OS handsets can also run J2ME games and applications<br />
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* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
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=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only ===<br />
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* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
* [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]]: Red Rescue Team<br />
<br />
* To play the following games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
** [[AGB Hack]]<br />
** [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
** [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Dungeon:_Shiren_the_Wanderer]<br />
* [[Rogue]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[Hack]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
** A more recent version of DSCrawl is available. It has been dldi patched by errabes [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13311] to run on a greater variety of flash hardware. Download dscrawl_dldi-b1 [http://errabes.free.fr/pogo2/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* [[Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Nokia 770]] Internet tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Sharp Zaurus]] [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* [[NewtHack]] (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
== External links ==<br />
<br />
* [http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/RoguelikesGallery GameSpite list of console and handheld console roguelikes]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=21691List of handheld roguelikes2010-07-27T20:55:53Z<p>Unforgettableid: merge both duplicate Game Boy Color sections into one, and both duplicate Nintendo DS sections into one</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[FAangband]] [http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/Downloads.html] (for NDS, Windows CE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for GBA, NDS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cell phones ==<br />
<br />
Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Android OS, Symbian OS, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[100 Rogues]] [http://www.100rogues.com] - a fully animated, original roguelike developed for the iPhone<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
* [[NetHack for iPhone]] [http://www.centralcore.co.uk/iphone/] (requires [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+OR+iphone+jailbreak jailbreaking]; also, you must run the command ROWS=16 in MobileTerminal.app before starting it, or else it's almost unplayable)[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/0916af9fe0891065/#18bdb867cdf6442a]<br />
* [[iNetHack]] [http://code.google.com/p/inethack/] (iPhone port availabe on the AppStore)<br />
<br />
=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
=== Java Micro Edition (J2ME) enabled devices ===<br />
Handsets from practically all major manufacturers (except Apple's iPhone) are able to run J2ME games and applications.<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]]<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[MIDP RL]]<br />
* [[Roguelike Mobile]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines 2]]<br />
<br />
=== Android OS devices ===<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]]<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
<br />
=== Symbian OS ===<br />
Development of Symbian OS only applications is made using C/C++. Symbian OS is primarily found on smartphones from Nokia. Symbian OS handsets can also run J2ME games and applications<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
* [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]]: Red Rescue Team<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Dungeon:_Shiren_the_Wanderer]<br />
* [[Rogue]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[Hack]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/Download.htm#NDS]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
** A more recent version of DSCrawl is available. It has been dldi patched by errabes [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=13311] to run on a greater variety of flash hardware. Download dscrawl_dldi-b1 [http://errabes.free.fr/pogo2/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* [[Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Nokia 770]] Internet tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Sharp Zaurus]] [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* [[NewtHack]] (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
== External links ==<br />
<br />
* [http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/RoguelikesGallery GameSpite list of console and handheld console roguelikes]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Console_roguelike&diff=14839Console roguelike2009-02-27T09:50:44Z<p>Unforgettableid: +gamespite link</p>
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<div>__NOTOC__ <!-- page is too short to need a TOC --><br />
A '''console roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game that can be played on a [[wikipedia:video game console|video game console]] without installing a Linux distribution such as Xbox Linux or PS2 Linux on the device.<br />
<br />
All known console roguelikes are commercial games. You may be able to find them on Ebay. If you cannot find the games right away, try using Ebay's e-mail alerts feature so that you are notified as soon as your game of choice is put up for sale on Ebay. Before buying a Japanese game, ask around to make sure it will work with your game system and local television standard.<br />
<br />
== List of console roguelikes ==<br />
<br />
=== Sega Genesis / Mega Drive ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Fatal Labyrinth|Fatal Labyrinth]]<br />
<br />
=== SNES ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals|Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals]] contained a roguelike [[wikipedia:minigame|minigame]] called the [[Ancient Cave]].<br />
<br />
=== Super Famicom ===<br />
<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Torneko|Torneko no Daibouken: Fushigi no Dungeon]] (the name translates loosely as ''Torneko's Great Adventure: Mysterious Dungeon'')<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Shiren_the_Wanderer|Fushigi no Dungeon 2: Fuurai no Shiren]] (Mysterious Dungeon 2 - Shiren the Wanderer), with versions available for multiple platforms including the dreamcast.<br />
<br />
=== PlayStation ===<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] was a graphical roguelike.<br />
* [[wikipedia:Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2|Chocobo's Dungeon 2]] (called "Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2" in Japan) was a roguelike.<br />
<br />
=== Playstation 2 ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:The Nightmare of Druaga: Fushigino Dungeon|The Nightmare of Druaga]] combines the characters and mythology behind Namco's Arcade Game "The Tower of Druaga" with roguelike features in the tradition of the Mysterious Dungeon series.<br />
*[[wikipedia:Disgaea: Hour of Darkness|Disgaea]] and its sequel, [[wikipedia:Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories|Disgaea 2]] are part of a series of Tactical RPGs that feature an area known as "The Item World" wherein every item in the game can be accessed as a randomized, somewhat-roguelike 100-level dungeon complete with enemies, Treasures and other surprises. <br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* the '''Game Boy Color''' and '''Game Boy Advance''' sections on the [[Handheld roguelike#Game Boy Advance|List of handheld roguelikes]]. It should be possible to play those games on a GameCube using the Game Boy Player accessory made by Nintendo.<br />
<br />
== External links ==<br />
<br />
* [http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/RoguelikesGallery GameSpite list of console and handheld console roguelikes]<br />
<br />
{{stub}}</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=14838List of handheld roguelikes2009-02-27T09:49:10Z<p>Unforgettableid: +gamespite link</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[FAangband]] [http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/Downloads.html] (for NDS, Windows CE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for GBA, NDS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cell phones ==<br />
<br />
Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
* [[NetHack for iPhone]] [http://www.centralcore.co.uk/iphone/] (requires [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+OR+iphone+jailbreak jailbreaking]; also, you must run the command ROWS=16 in MobileTerminal.app before starting it, or else it's almost unplayable)[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/0916af9fe0891065/#18bdb867cdf6442a]<br />
<br />
=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
=== Uncategorized ===<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[MIDP RL]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines 2]]<br />
<br />
=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* [[Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Nokia 770]] Internet tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Sharp Zaurus]] [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* [[NewtHack]] (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
== External links ==<br />
<br />
* [http://www.gamespite.net/toastywiki/index.php/Games/RoguelikesGallery GameSpite list of console and handheld console roguelikes]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=14306List of handheld roguelikes2008-12-03T08:17:10Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only */ -FaAngband /* Multiple platforms */ -info on non-handheld ports; +FAangband</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[FAangband]] [http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/Downloads.html] (for NDS, Windows CE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones, and some non-handhelds)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for GBA, NDS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE, and some non-handhelds)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cell phones ==<br />
<br />
Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
* [[NetHack for iPhone]] [http://www.centralcore.co.uk/iphone/] (requires [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+OR+iphone+jailbreak jailbreaking]; also, you must run the command ROWS=16 in MobileTerminal.app before starting it, or else it's almost unplayable)[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/0916af9fe0891065/#18bdb867cdf6442a]<br />
<br />
=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
=== Uncategorized ===<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[MIDP RL]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines]]<br />
<br />
=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* [[Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Nokia 770]] Internet tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Sharp Zaurus]] [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* [[NewtHack]] (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=14271List of handheld roguelikes2008-11-07T06:26:04Z<p>Unforgettableid: +NetHack for iPhone; and a few very minor edits, mostly making text into wikilinks</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, GBA, DS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cell phones ==<br />
<br />
Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
* [[NetHack for iPhone]] [http://www.centralcore.co.uk/iphone/] (requires [http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+OR+iphone+jailbreak jailbreaking]; also, you must run the command ROWS=16 in MobileTerminal.app before starting it, or else it's almost unplayable)[http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/0916af9fe0891065/#18bdb867cdf6442a]<br />
<br />
=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
=== Uncategorized ===<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[MIDP RL]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines]]<br />
<br />
=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[FaAngband]] (http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/)<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* [[Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for Nokia 770]] Internet tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Sharp Zaurus]] [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* [[NewtHack]] (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=14260List of handheld roguelikes2008-10-28T18:49:29Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only */ wfy</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, GBA, DS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cell phones ==<br />
<br />
Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
<br />
=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
=== Uncategorized ===<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[MIDP RL]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines]]<br />
<br />
=== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[FaAngband]] (http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/)<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* NetHack for the Nokia 770 tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* NetHack for the Sharp Zaurus [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* NewtHack (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=14259List of handheld roguelikes2008-10-28T18:48:56Z<p>Unforgettableid: reorg; +iPhone RPG; other minor edits</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for Palm Treo cell phones and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, Palm Treo and Windows Mobile cell phones)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, GBA, DS, PSP, GP2X, WinCE)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cell phones ==<br />
<br />
Tip: When you buy a mobile phone, get a smartphone like an iPhone, Palm Treo, BlackBerry, or Windows Mobile device. Smartphones can run a wider variety of software than most cellphones. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
=== iPhone cell phones ===<br />
<br />
* [[iPhone RPG]] [http://www.hotcat.org/rpg/] (for use in the iPhone web browser)<br />
<br />
=== Palm Treo and Centro cell phones only ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
=== Uncategorized ===<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[MIDP RL]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
* [[Sigmore Mines]]<br />
<br />
== Windows Mobile / Windows CE cell phones only ==<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[FaAngband]] (http://angband.oook.cz/faangband/)<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. NO$GBA[http://nocash.emubase.de/gba.htm] is currently one of the more accurate Game Boy Advance emulators for the PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device. You can also play these (and any other Game Boy Advance homebrew applications) on a Nintendo DS via a [[slot-1 card]] such as the CycloDS Evolution[http://www.cyclopsds.com/cgi-bin/cyclods/engine.pl?page=products-cyclodsevolution]<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] <br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/] (The site is down. Use Wayback. Last version is 1.0.) Try this link: [http://web.archive.org/web/20070531065542/http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
* Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Izuna:_Legend_of_the_Unemployed_Ninja]<br />
* [[Angband]] (development abandoned, source and .nds file available) [http://forum.gbadev.org/viewtopic.php?t=11305&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30]<br />
* [[DungeonS]] [http://palib.info/forum/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3658&forum=9]<br />
* The [[Pokemon Mystery Dungeon]] commercial games are built around random dungeon crawls, strongly reminiscent of Rogue dungeons. They are graphical, use standard DS input, and have plots, but the plot can most often be ignored.<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* NetHack for the Nokia 770 tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* NetHack for the Sharp Zaurus [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* NewtHack (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=4579List of handheld roguelikes2006-11-28T03:50:02Z<p>Unforgettableid: merge in Newton section > Other</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for PalmPilot and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, OS X, PalmPilot and Windows Mobile)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cellphones ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
Note: If you are buying a cellphone, consider a PalmOS-based or Windows Mobile-based "smartphone", as those can run a wider variety of software. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device.<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
<br />
== PalmPilot ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* NetHack for the Nokia 770 tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* NetHack for the Sharp Zaurus [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
* NewtHack (shareware for the [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Apple Newton]]; registration costs USD$20 and entitles you to the full version) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== Windows Mobile / Windows CE / Smartphone 2002 ==<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=4398List of handheld roguelikes2006-11-28T03:48:14Z<p>Unforgettableid: +NewtHack; fix link</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for PalmPilot and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, OS X, PalmPilot and Windows Mobile)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cellphones ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
Note: If you are buying a cellphone, consider a PalmOS-based or Windows Mobile-based "smartphone", as those can run a wider variety of software. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device.<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== [[Wikipedia:Apple Newton|Newton]] ==<br />
<br />
* NewtHack (shareware; full version costs USD$20) [http://dc.unna.org/unna/games/NewtHack1_1/]<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]] for the Nintendo DS [http://www.nightmode.org/dscrawl/]<br />
<br />
== PalmPilot ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* NetHack for the Nokia 770 tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* NetHack for the Sharp Zaurus [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== Windows Mobile / Windows CE / Smartphone 2002 ==<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=3557List of handheld roguelikes2006-05-16T10:39:16Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Other */ +</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for PalmPilot and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, OS X, PalmPilot and Windows Mobile)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cellphones ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
Note: If you are buying a cellphone, consider a PalmOS-based or Windows Mobile-based "smartphone", as those can run a wider variety of software. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device.<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[Hack for the Nintendo DS]]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== PalmPilot ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* NetHack for the Nokia 770 tablet [http://www.rengels.de/computer/nethack/ (version 1)] [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com (version 2)]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* NetHack for the Sharp Zaurus [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== Windows Mobile / Windows CE / Smartphone 2002 ==<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
[[category:Roguelike games|*]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Translation&diff=2811Translation2006-05-14T03:36:50Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Polish */ fmy</p>
<hr />
<div>This page is intended to contain a summary of information on how to translate [[w:NetHack|NetHack]] or other [[w:roguelike|roguelike]] games into other languages.<br />
<br />
'''This is not a complete list. For more information on roguelikes in your language, do a Google search.'''<br />
<br />
== Translations available ==<br />
<br />
=== Czech ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] works in English and Czech. CalcRogue is a Rogue clone for Windows, Linux, PalmPilots, and certain QWERTY-keyboard TI calculators.<br />
<br />
=== French ===<br />
<br />
* [http://ksi.ii.uj.edu.pl/krogue/ KRogue], the KDE-improved version of [[Rogue]], works in French.<br />
<br />
=== Japanese ===<br />
<br />
* There are Japanese translations of [http://www.jnethack.org/ NetHack] and Slash'EM available.<br />
<br />
* Angband 2.8.3 and several variants have been translated into<br />
Japanese. More information is available at the following web pages:<br />
:* Angband 2.8.3: http://plaza16.mbn.or.jp/~irisroom/jangband/jangband.html<br />
:* Oangband 0.4.1: http://www.kmc.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~habu/oangband/<br />
:* PernAngband: http://www.hcn.zaq.ne.jp/kusunose/pernangband/index.html<br />
:* Zangband 2.4.0: http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-SanJose/9606/zg/index.html<br />
<br />
=== Polish ===<br />
<br />
* I do not know. Try a Google search or ask in the Polish [http://www.googlegroups.com newsgroup] pl.rec.gry.komputerowe.roguelike for more information.<br />
<br />
=== Russian ===<br />
<br />
* There was an attempt to make a translation of Angband into Russian which met with some success. Search at http://www.googlegroups.com for more details.<br />
<br />
=== Spanish ===<br />
<br />
* There is a [http://spanish-nethack.sourceforge.net/ Spanish translation] of NetHack available.<br />
<br />
The translations of NetHack and SlashEm do not use [[w:gettext|GNU gettext]], the standard system for translating all applications, because of the fancy linguistic operations that NetHack and SlashEm do.<br />
<br />
=== Translations not released ===<br />
<br />
Many other people have started (and often abandoned) work on other translations; search the [http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=group%3Arec.games.roguelike.*+internationalization%7Clocalization%7Cl10n%7Ci18n%7Ctranslation%7Cgettext rec.games.roguelike.* newsgroups] for more info. If you find information on abandoned roguelikes, please post the original translator's contact information here if possible.<br />
<br />
There is a [https://launchpad.net/projects/roguelike/ Ubuntu roguelike translation project] although it has just been started and is not yet active.<br />
<br />
== Translation issues ==<br />
<br />
Issues in translating roguelikes include:<br />
<br />
* Issues that affect all software translators:<br />
** conjugating verbs<br />
** combining nouns and adjectives<br />
** mixing numbers and nouns<br />
** masculine/feminine<br />
** single/dual/plural<br />
<br />
* Issues specific to roguelikes:<br />
** the parsing of text the user enters at the wishing prompt<br />
<br />
NetHack often constructs sentences, such as "You hit the dwarf!", "The dwarf hits!" (not "The dwarf hit!"), "2 scrolls of identify" (not "scroll of identifys"). Issues that come up during translation include the conjugation of verbs, the combination of nouns with adjectives ("cursed", "rustproof"), numbering ("2 the scrolls of identify" would be wrong), masculine versus feminine words, and singular versus dual versus plural words. These issues are different in each language, and the NetHack source code often does not anticipate issues specific to non-English languages.<br />
<br />
For more info, see [http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=group%3Arec.games.roguelike.*+internationalization%7Clocalization%7Cl10n%7Ci18n%7Ctranslation%7Cgettext the appropriate threads in the rec.games.roguelike.* newsgroups].</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Translation&diff=2810Translation2006-05-14T03:36:39Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Polish */ link</p>
<hr />
<div>This page is intended to contain a summary of information on how to translate [[w:NetHack|NetHack]] or other [[w:roguelike|roguelike]] games into other languages.<br />
<br />
'''This is not a complete list. For more information on roguelikes in your language, do a Google search.'''<br />
<br />
== Translations available ==<br />
<br />
=== Czech ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] works in English and Czech. CalcRogue is a Rogue clone for Windows, Linux, PalmPilots, and certain QWERTY-keyboard TI calculators.<br />
<br />
=== French ===<br />
<br />
* [http://ksi.ii.uj.edu.pl/krogue/ KRogue], the KDE-improved version of [[Rogue]], works in French.<br />
<br />
=== Japanese ===<br />
<br />
* There are Japanese translations of [http://www.jnethack.org/ NetHack] and Slash'EM available.<br />
<br />
* Angband 2.8.3 and several variants have been translated into<br />
Japanese. More information is available at the following web pages:<br />
:* Angband 2.8.3: http://plaza16.mbn.or.jp/~irisroom/jangband/jangband.html<br />
:* Oangband 0.4.1: http://www.kmc.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~habu/oangband/<br />
:* PernAngband: http://www.hcn.zaq.ne.jp/kusunose/pernangband/index.html<br />
:* Zangband 2.4.0: http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-SanJose/9606/zg/index.html<br />
<br />
=== Polish ===<br />
<br />
* I do not know. Try a Google search or ask in the Polish [http://www.googlegroups.com newsgroup]] pl.rec.gry.komputerowe.roguelike for more information.<br />
<br />
=== Russian ===<br />
<br />
* There was an attempt to make a translation of Angband into Russian which met with some success. Search at http://www.googlegroups.com for more details.<br />
<br />
=== Spanish ===<br />
<br />
* There is a [http://spanish-nethack.sourceforge.net/ Spanish translation] of NetHack available.<br />
<br />
The translations of NetHack and SlashEm do not use [[w:gettext|GNU gettext]], the standard system for translating all applications, because of the fancy linguistic operations that NetHack and SlashEm do.<br />
<br />
=== Translations not released ===<br />
<br />
Many other people have started (and often abandoned) work on other translations; search the [http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=group%3Arec.games.roguelike.*+internationalization%7Clocalization%7Cl10n%7Ci18n%7Ctranslation%7Cgettext rec.games.roguelike.* newsgroups] for more info. If you find information on abandoned roguelikes, please post the original translator's contact information here if possible.<br />
<br />
There is a [https://launchpad.net/projects/roguelike/ Ubuntu roguelike translation project] although it has just been started and is not yet active.<br />
<br />
== Translation issues ==<br />
<br />
Issues in translating roguelikes include:<br />
<br />
* Issues that affect all software translators:<br />
** conjugating verbs<br />
** combining nouns and adjectives<br />
** mixing numbers and nouns<br />
** masculine/feminine<br />
** single/dual/plural<br />
<br />
* Issues specific to roguelikes:<br />
** the parsing of text the user enters at the wishing prompt<br />
<br />
NetHack often constructs sentences, such as "You hit the dwarf!", "The dwarf hits!" (not "The dwarf hit!"), "2 scrolls of identify" (not "scroll of identifys"). Issues that come up during translation include the conjugation of verbs, the combination of nouns with adjectives ("cursed", "rustproof"), numbering ("2 the scrolls of identify" would be wrong), masculine versus feminine words, and singular versus dual versus plural words. These issues are different in each language, and the NetHack source code often does not anticipate issues specific to non-English languages.<br />
<br />
For more info, see [http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=group%3Arec.games.roguelike.*+internationalization%7Clocalization%7Cl10n%7Ci18n%7Ctranslation%7Cgettext the appropriate threads in the rec.games.roguelike.* newsgroups].</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Translation&diff=2809Translation2006-05-14T03:35:28Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Japanese */ fmt</p>
<hr />
<div>This page is intended to contain a summary of information on how to translate [[w:NetHack|NetHack]] or other [[w:roguelike|roguelike]] games into other languages.<br />
<br />
'''This is not a complete list. For more information on roguelikes in your language, do a Google search.'''<br />
<br />
== Translations available ==<br />
<br />
=== Czech ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] works in English and Czech. CalcRogue is a Rogue clone for Windows, Linux, PalmPilots, and certain QWERTY-keyboard TI calculators.<br />
<br />
=== French ===<br />
<br />
* [http://ksi.ii.uj.edu.pl/krogue/ KRogue], the KDE-improved version of [[Rogue]], works in French.<br />
<br />
=== Japanese ===<br />
<br />
* There are Japanese translations of [http://www.jnethack.org/ NetHack] and Slash'EM available.<br />
<br />
* Angband 2.8.3 and several variants have been translated into<br />
Japanese. More information is available at the following web pages:<br />
:* Angband 2.8.3: http://plaza16.mbn.or.jp/~irisroom/jangband/jangband.html<br />
:* Oangband 0.4.1: http://www.kmc.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~habu/oangband/<br />
:* PernAngband: http://www.hcn.zaq.ne.jp/kusunose/pernangband/index.html<br />
:* Zangband 2.4.0: http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-SanJose/9606/zg/index.html<br />
<br />
=== Polish ===<br />
<br />
* I do not know. Try a Google search or ask in the Polish newsgroup news:pl.rec.gry.komputerowe.roguelike for more information.<br />
<br />
=== Russian ===<br />
<br />
* There was an attempt to make a translation of Angband into Russian which met with some success. Search at http://www.googlegroups.com for more details.<br />
<br />
=== Spanish ===<br />
<br />
* There is a [http://spanish-nethack.sourceforge.net/ Spanish translation] of NetHack available.<br />
<br />
The translations of NetHack and SlashEm do not use [[w:gettext|GNU gettext]], the standard system for translating all applications, because of the fancy linguistic operations that NetHack and SlashEm do.<br />
<br />
=== Translations not released ===<br />
<br />
Many other people have started (and often abandoned) work on other translations; search the [http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=group%3Arec.games.roguelike.*+internationalization%7Clocalization%7Cl10n%7Ci18n%7Ctranslation%7Cgettext rec.games.roguelike.* newsgroups] for more info. If you find information on abandoned roguelikes, please post the original translator's contact information here if possible.<br />
<br />
There is a [https://launchpad.net/projects/roguelike/ Ubuntu roguelike translation project] although it has just been started and is not yet active.<br />
<br />
== Translation issues ==<br />
<br />
Issues in translating roguelikes include:<br />
<br />
* Issues that affect all software translators:<br />
** conjugating verbs<br />
** combining nouns and adjectives<br />
** mixing numbers and nouns<br />
** masculine/feminine<br />
** single/dual/plural<br />
<br />
* Issues specific to roguelikes:<br />
** the parsing of text the user enters at the wishing prompt<br />
<br />
NetHack often constructs sentences, such as "You hit the dwarf!", "The dwarf hits!" (not "The dwarf hit!"), "2 scrolls of identify" (not "scroll of identifys"). Issues that come up during translation include the conjugation of verbs, the combination of nouns with adjectives ("cursed", "rustproof"), numbering ("2 the scrolls of identify" would be wrong), masculine versus feminine words, and singular versus dual versus plural words. These issues are different in each language, and the NetHack source code often does not anticipate issues specific to non-English languages.<br />
<br />
For more info, see [http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=group%3Arec.games.roguelike.*+internationalization%7Clocalization%7Cl10n%7Ci18n%7Ctranslation%7Cgettext the appropriate threads in the rec.games.roguelike.* newsgroups].</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Translation&diff=2808Translation2006-05-14T03:35:04Z<p>Unforgettableid: +</p>
<hr />
<div>This page is intended to contain a summary of information on how to translate [[w:NetHack|NetHack]] or other [[w:roguelike|roguelike]] games into other languages.<br />
<br />
'''This is not a complete list. For more information on roguelikes in your language, do a Google search.'''<br />
<br />
== Translations available ==<br />
<br />
=== Czech ===<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] works in English and Czech. CalcRogue is a Rogue clone for Windows, Linux, PalmPilots, and certain QWERTY-keyboard TI calculators.<br />
<br />
=== French ===<br />
<br />
* [http://ksi.ii.uj.edu.pl/krogue/ KRogue], the KDE-improved version of [[Rogue]], works in French.<br />
<br />
=== Japanese ===<br />
<br />
* There are Japanese translations of [http://www.jnethack.org/ NetHack] and Slash'EM available.<br />
<br />
* Angband 2.8.3 and several variants have been translated into<br />
Japanese. More information is available at the following web pages:<br />
** Angband 2.8.3: http://plaza16.mbn.or.jp/~irisroom/jangband/jangband.html<br />
** Oangband 0.4.1: http://www.kmc.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~habu/oangband/<br />
** PernAngband: http://www.hcn.zaq.ne.jp/kusunose/pernangband/index.html<br />
** Zangband 2.4.0: http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-SanJose/9606/zg/index.html<br />
<br />
=== Polish ===<br />
<br />
* I do not know. Try a Google search or ask in the Polish newsgroup news:pl.rec.gry.komputerowe.roguelike for more information.<br />
<br />
=== Russian ===<br />
<br />
* There was an attempt to make a translation of Angband into Russian which met with some success. Search at http://www.googlegroups.com for more details.<br />
<br />
=== Spanish ===<br />
<br />
* There is a [http://spanish-nethack.sourceforge.net/ Spanish translation] of NetHack available.<br />
<br />
The translations of NetHack and SlashEm do not use [[w:gettext|GNU gettext]], the standard system for translating all applications, because of the fancy linguistic operations that NetHack and SlashEm do.<br />
<br />
=== Translations not released ===<br />
<br />
Many other people have started (and often abandoned) work on other translations; search the [http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=group%3Arec.games.roguelike.*+internationalization%7Clocalization%7Cl10n%7Ci18n%7Ctranslation%7Cgettext rec.games.roguelike.* newsgroups] for more info. If you find information on abandoned roguelikes, please post the original translator's contact information here if possible.<br />
<br />
There is a [https://launchpad.net/projects/roguelike/ Ubuntu roguelike translation project] although it has just been started and is not yet active.<br />
<br />
== Translation issues ==<br />
<br />
Issues in translating roguelikes include:<br />
<br />
* Issues that affect all software translators:<br />
** conjugating verbs<br />
** combining nouns and adjectives<br />
** mixing numbers and nouns<br />
** masculine/feminine<br />
** single/dual/plural<br />
<br />
* Issues specific to roguelikes:<br />
** the parsing of text the user enters at the wishing prompt<br />
<br />
NetHack often constructs sentences, such as "You hit the dwarf!", "The dwarf hits!" (not "The dwarf hit!"), "2 scrolls of identify" (not "scroll of identifys"). Issues that come up during translation include the conjugation of verbs, the combination of nouns with adjectives ("cursed", "rustproof"), numbering ("2 the scrolls of identify" would be wrong), masculine versus feminine words, and singular versus dual versus plural words. These issues are different in each language, and the NetHack source code often does not anticipate issues specific to non-English languages.<br />
<br />
For more info, see [http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=group%3Arec.games.roguelike.*+internationalization%7Clocalization%7Cl10n%7Ci18n%7Ctranslation%7Cgettext the appropriate threads in the rec.games.roguelike.* newsgroups].</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=2818List of handheld roguelikes2006-05-14T03:12:09Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* PalmPilot */ change status,+link</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for PalmPilot and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, OS X, PalmPilot and Windows Mobile)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cellphones ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
Note: If you are buying a cellphone, consider a PalmOS-based or Windows Mobile-based "smartphone", as those can run a wider variety of software. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device.<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[Hack for the Nintendo DS]]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== PalmPilot ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] [http://nethack-palm.sourceforge.net] (unreleased)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* NetHack for the Nokia 770 tablet [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* NetHack for the Sharp Zaurus [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== Windows Mobile / Windows CE / Smartphone 2002 ==<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
[[category:Roguelike games|*]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=2806List of handheld roguelikes2006-05-08T22:55:36Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Game Boy Advance */ gr</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for PalmPilot and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, OS X, PalmPilot and Windows Mobile)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cellphones ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
Note: If you are buying a cellphone, consider a PalmOS-based or Windows Mobile-based "smartphone", as those can run a wider variety of software. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge or download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device.<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[Hack for the Nintendo DS]]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== PalmPilot ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] (alpha)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* NetHack for the Nokia 770 tablet [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* NetHack for the Sharp Zaurus [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== Windows Mobile / Windows CE / Smartphone 2002 ==<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
[[category:Roguelike games|*]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=2781List of handheld roguelikes2006-05-08T22:55:14Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* Game Boy Advance */ +</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for PalmPilot and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, OS X, PalmPilot and Windows Mobile)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cellphones ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
Note: If you are buying a cellphone, consider a PalmOS-based or Windows Mobile-based "smartphone", as those can run a wider variety of software. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
To play these games, buy an inexpensive Game Boy Advance flash cartridge download a Game Boy Advance emulator for your PC. Perhaps it is also possible to play them using a computer-to-GBA link cable or a Game Boy Advance Movie Player or other such device.<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[Hack for the Nintendo DS]]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== PalmPilot ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] (alpha)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
<br />
== Other ==<br />
<br />
* NetHack for the Nokia 770 tablet [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* NetHack for the Sharp Zaurus [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
<br />
== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== Windows Mobile / Windows CE / Smartphone 2002 ==<br />
<br />
* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
[[category:Roguelike games|*]]</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Console_roguelike&diff=2998Console roguelike2006-05-08T22:52:51Z<p>Unforgettableid: +</p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__ <!-- page is too short to need a TOC --><br />
A '''console roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game that can be played on a [[wikipedia:video game console|video game console]] without installing a Linux distribution such as Xbox Linux or PS2 Linux on the device.<br />
<br />
All known console roguelikes are commercial games. You may be able to find them on Ebay or Ebay Japan. If you cannot find the games right away, try using Ebay's e-mail alerts feature so that you are notified as soon as your game of choice is put up for sale on Ebay. Before buying a Japanese game, ask around to make sure it will work with an American game system and an NTSC television.<br />
<br />
== List of console roguelikes ==<br />
<br />
=== Sega Genesis / Mega Drive ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Fatal Labyrinth|Fatal Labyrinth]]<br />
<br />
=== SNES ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals|Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals]] contained a roguelike [[wikipedia:minigame|minigame]] called the [[Ancient Cave]].<br />
<br />
=== Super Famicom ===<br />
<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Torneko|Torneko no Daibouken: Fushigi no Dungeon]] (the name translates loosely as ''Torneko's Great Adventure: Mysterious Dungeon'')<br />
<br />
=== PlayStation ===<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] was a graphical roguelike.<br />
* [[wikipedia:Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2|Chocobo's Dungeon 2]] (called "Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2" in Japan) was a roguelike.<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* the '''Game Boy Color''' and '''Game Boy Advance''' sections on the [[Handheld roguelike#Game Boy Advance|List of handheld roguelikes]]. It should be possible to play those games on a GameCube using the Game Boy Player accessory made by Nintendo.<br />
<br />
[[category:Roguelike games|*]]<br />
{{stub}}</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Console_roguelike&diff=2779Console roguelike2006-05-08T22:29:42Z<p>Unforgettableid: gr</p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__ <!-- page is too short to need a TOC --><br />
A '''console roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game that can be played on a [[wikipedia:video game console|video game console]] without installing a Linux distribution such as Xbox Linux or PS2 Linux on the device.<br />
<br />
All known console roguelikes are commercial games. You may be able to find them on Ebay or Ebay Japan. If you cannot find the games right away, try using Ebay's e-mail alerts feature so that you are notified as soon as your game of choice is put up for sale on Ebay. Before buying a Japanese game, ask around to make sure it will work with an American game system and an NTSC television.<br />
<br />
== List of console roguelikes ==<br />
<br />
=== Sega Genesis / Mega Drive ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Fatal Labyrinth|Fatal Labyrinth]]<br />
<br />
=== SNES ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals|Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals]] contained a roguelike [[wikipedia:minigame|minigame]] called the [[Ancient Cave]].<br />
<br />
=== Super Famicom ===<br />
<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Torneko|Torneko no Daibouken: Fushigi no Dungeon]] (the name translates loosely as ''Torneko's Great Adventure: Mysterious Dungeon'')<br />
<br />
=== PlayStation ===<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] was a graphical roguelike.<br />
* [[wikipedia:Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2|Chocobo's Dungeon 2]] (called "Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2" in Japan) was a roguelike.<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* the '''Game Boy Color''' and '''Game Boy Advance''' sections on the [[Handheld roguelike#Game Boy Advance|List of handheld roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
[[category:Roguelike games|*]]<br />
{{stub}}</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Console_roguelike&diff=2778Console roguelike2006-05-08T22:29:30Z<p>Unforgettableid: +</p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__ <!-- page is too short to need a TOC --><br />
A '''console roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game that can be played on a [[wikipedia:video game console|video game console]] without installing a Linux distribution such as Xbox Linux or PS2 Linux on the device. All known console roguelikes are commercial games. You may be able to find them on Ebay or Ebay Japan. If you cannot find the games right away, try using Ebay's e-mail alerts feature so that you are notified as soon as your game of choice is put up for sale on Ebay.<br />
<br />
Before buying a Japanese game, ask around to make sure it will work with an American game system and an NTSC television.<br />
<br />
== List of console roguelikes ==<br />
<br />
=== Sega Genesis / Mega Drive ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Fatal Labyrinth|Fatal Labyrinth]]<br />
<br />
=== SNES ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals|Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals]] contained a roguelike [[wikipedia:minigame|minigame]] called the [[Ancient Cave]].<br />
<br />
=== Super Famicom ===<br />
<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Torneko|Torneko no Daibouken: Fushigi no Dungeon]] (the name translates loosely as ''Torneko's Great Adventure: Mysterious Dungeon'')<br />
<br />
=== PlayStation ===<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] was a graphical roguelike.<br />
* [[wikipedia:Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2|Chocobo's Dungeon 2]] (called "Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2" in Japan) was a roguelike.<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* the '''Game Boy Color''' and '''Game Boy Advance''' sections on the [[Handheld roguelike#Game Boy Advance|List of handheld roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
[[category:Roguelike games|*]]<br />
{{stub}}</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Console_roguelike&diff=2777Console roguelike2006-05-08T22:24:47Z<p>Unforgettableid: -toc</p>
<hr />
<div>__NOTOC__ <!-- page is too short to need a TOC --><br />
<br />
A '''console roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game that can be played on a [[wikipedia:video game console|video game console]].<br />
<br />
== List of console roguelikes ==<br />
<br />
=== Sega Genesis / Mega Drive ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Fatal Labyrinth|Fatal Labyrinth]]<br />
<br />
=== SNES ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals|Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals]] contained a roguelike [[wikipedia:minigame|minigame]] called the [[Ancient Cave]].<br />
<br />
=== Super Famicom ===<br />
<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Torneko|Torneko no Daibouken: Fushigi no Dungeon]] (the name translates loosely as ''Torneko's Great Adventure: Mysterious Dungeon'')<br />
<br />
=== PlayStation ===<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] was a graphical roguelike.<br />
* [[wikipedia:Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2|Chocobo's Dungeon 2]] (called "Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2" in Japan) was a roguelike.<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* the '''Game Boy Color''' and '''Game Boy Advance''' sections on the [[Handheld roguelike#Game Boy Advance|List of handheld roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
[[category:Roguelike games|*]]<br />
{{stub}}</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Console_roguelike&diff=2776Console roguelike2006-05-08T22:24:09Z<p>Unforgettableid: /* See also */ cat</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''console roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game that can be played on a [[wikipedia:video game console|video game console]].<br />
<br />
== List of console roguelikes ==<br />
<br />
=== Sega Genesis / Mega Drive ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Fatal Labyrinth|Fatal Labyrinth]]<br />
<br />
=== SNES ===<br />
<br />
* [[wikipedia:Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals|Lufia II: Rise of the Sinistrals]] contained a roguelike [[wikipedia:minigame|minigame]] called the [[Ancient Cave]].<br />
<br />
=== Super Famicom ===<br />
<br />
* [[Wikipedia:Torneko|Torneko no Daibouken: Fushigi no Dungeon]] (the name translates loosely as ''Torneko's Great Adventure: Mysterious Dungeon'')<br />
<br />
=== PlayStation ===<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] was a graphical roguelike.<br />
* [[wikipedia:Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2|Chocobo's Dungeon 2]] (called "Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon 2" in Japan) was a roguelike.<br />
<br />
== See also ==<br />
<br />
* the '''Game Boy Color''' and '''Game Boy Advance''' sections on the [[Handheld roguelike#Game Boy Advance|List of handheld roguelikes]]<br />
<br />
[[category:Roguelike games|*]]<br />
{{stub}}</div>Unforgettableidhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=List_of_handheld_roguelikes&diff=2780List of handheld roguelikes2006-05-08T22:23:55Z<p>Unforgettableid: cat</p>
<hr />
<div>A '''handheld roguelike''' is a [[roguelike]] game for a small electronic device such as a cellphone, a video game system, or a [[wikipedia:PDA|PDA]].<br />
<br />
Even a system capable of running Windows or Linux does not guarantee a good roguelike experience. The small screen and limited controls of most handhelds mean that, unless careful work is done in [[UI design]], the resulting game can be unplayable.<br />
<br />
Some of these games also work on Windows or Linux, either by themselves or with the help of an [[wikipedia:emulator|emulator]].<br />
<br />
== Multiple platforms ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable; for PalmPilot and TI QWERTY calculators)<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable; for Windows, Mac OS 9, OS X, PalmPilot and Windows Mobile)<br />
<br />
== Calculators ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[TiRogue]] (alpha)<br />
<br />
== Cellphones ==<br />
<br />
* [[Dweller]] (beta)<br />
* [[Kamyran's Eye]]<br />
* [[NetHack for Symbian]]<br />
<br />
Note: If you are buying a cellphone, consider a PalmOS-based or Windows Mobile-based "smartphone", as those can run a wider variety of software. See the Palm and Windows Mobile sections below.<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Advance ==<br />
<br />
* [[AGB Hack]]<br />
* [[AGB Rogue]]<br />
* [[POWDER]] (stable)<br />
<br />
== Game Boy Color ==<br />
<br />
* The main dungeon of [[wikipedia:Other Life: Azure Dreams|Other Life: Azure Dreams]], the Game Boy Color port of [[wikipedia:Azure Dreams|Azure Dreams]] for the PlayStation, was a graphical roguelike.<br />
<br />
== Nintendo DS ==<br />
<br />
* [[Hack for the Nintendo DS]]<br />
* [[NetHack for the Nintendo DS]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
<br />
== PalmPilot ==<br />
<br />
* [[CalcRogue]] (stable)<br />
* [[iLarn]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[kMoria]] (alpha)<br />
* [[Nethack-Palm]] (alpha)<br />
* NetHack / Slash'EM for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/nethack.shtml] [http://www.emuboards.com/invision/lofiversion/index.php/t25282.html]<br />
* [[PaleoHack]] (alpha)<br />
* [[PocketRogue]] [http://www.palmspot.com/software/detail/ps1884a_98190.html]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
* Z/Angband, ToME, etc. for [[wikipedia:Tapwave Zodiac|Zodiac]] [http://www.retrobits.net/palmos/angband.shtml]<br />
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== Other ==<br />
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* NetHack for the Nokia 770 tablet [http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com]<br />
* [[NetHack for Psion]]<br />
* NetHack for the Sharp Zaurus [http://www.google.ca/search?q=zaurus+nethack]<br />
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== PlayStation Portable ==<br />
<br />
* [[Angband for PSP]] (alpha)<br />
* [[NetHack for the PSP]] (beta)<br />
* [[ToME for the PSP]] (alpha? beta?)<br />
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== Windows Mobile / Windows CE / Smartphone 2002 ==<br />
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* [[AngbandCE]]<br />
* [[nanRogue]] (final beta)<br />
* [[NetHack for Windows CE]]<br />
* [[Strange Adventures in Infinite Space]] (stable)<br />
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== See also ==<br />
<br />
* [[List of console roguelikes]] - roguelikes for video game consoles that connect to a TV<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
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<div>Theis category is for roguelike games. See also the [[tree of roguelike evolution]].<br />
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<div>Theis category is for roguelike games. See also the [[tree of roguelike evolution]].<br />
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<div>These are roguelike games. See also the [[tree of roguelike evolution]].<br />
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<div>=== Fantasy (rather pure) ===<br />
* [[ADOM]] (Ancient Domains of Mystery)<br />
* [[Angband]] (Tolkien)<br />
* [[Avanor]]<br />
* [[CalcRogue]]<br />
* [[Castle of the Winds]] (Norse mythology)<br />
* [[Crawl]]<br />
* [[Diablo]]<br />
* [[DiabloRL]]<br />
* [[DnD]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Monkey]]<br />
* [[Dweller]]<br />
* [[GenRogue]]<br />
* [[GUILD]]<br />
* [[Incursion]]<br />
* [[JADE]]<br />
* [[Larn]]<br />
* [[MAngband]] (Tolkien)<br />
* [[Moria]]<br />
* [[POWDER]]<br />
* [[QuickQuest]]<br />
* [[Ragnarok]] (Norse mythology)<br />
* [[Rogue]]<br />
* [[SCOURGE]]<br />
* [[The Legend of Saladir]]<br />
* [[ToME]] (Trouble of Middle Earth, Tolkien)<br />
* [[UnderDark]]<br />
* [[Utumno]]<br />
* [[You Only Live Once]]<br />
* [[Zangband]] (Zelazny)<br />
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=== Fantasy (with elements from other themes) ===<br />
* [[Falcon's Eye]]<br />
* [[IVAN]] (Iter Vehemens ad Necem)<br />
* [[NetHack]]<br />
* [[Omega]]<br />
* [[SLASH'EM]]<br />
=== Science fiction ===<br />
* [[3059]]<br />
* [[Adeo]]<br />
* [[Alphaman]] (post-apocalyptic)<br />
* [[Boss]]<br />
* [[DeadCold]]<br />
* [[Decker]] (cyberpunk)<br />
* [[DoomRL]]<br />
* [[GearHead]] (mecha)<br />
* [[Real World]] (post-apocalyptic)<br />
* [[Shade]] (cyberpunk)<br />
* [[Star Rogue]]<br />
* [[SteamBand]]<br />
* [[Tower of Doom]]<br />
* [[Xenocide]]<br />
* [[Zapm]]<br />
* [[JauntTrooper series]]<br />
=== Historical ===<br />
* [[UnReal World]] (Vikings)<br />
=== Arcade ===<br />
* [[Bomberogue]]<br />
* [[Letter Hunt]]<br />
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=== Generic Engines ===<br />
* [[Carceri]]<br />
* [[H-World]]<br />
* [[QHack]]<br />
* [[T-Engine]]<br />
=== Yet unclassified ===<br />
* [[Abura Tan]]<br />
* [[ANK]]<br />
* [[Beyond]]<br />
* [[Caves of Golorp]]<br />
* [[Crossfire]]<br />
* [[Cryptic Light]]<br />
* [[Domain Country]]<br />
* [[Dragon]]<br />
* [[Dungeon Hack]]<br />
* [[Dungeon]]<br />
* [[DungeonDoom]]<br />
* [[Egoboo]]<br />
* [[Guardian Angel]]<br />
* [[Hack]]<br />
* [[Hengband]]<br />
* [[Heroic Adventure!]]<br />
* [[iRogue]]<br />
* [[JRR]]<br />
* [[Kaduria]]<br />
* [[Kharne]]<br />
* [[Lost Labyrinth]]<br />
* [[Necrophobia]]<br />
* [[Netchaos]]<br />
* [[Papaki]]<br />
* [[Rolf]]<br />
* [[Slaves to Armok]]<br />
* [[Sword of Fargoal]]<br />
* [[The Minstrel's Song]]<br />
* [[The Woods of Torbin]]<br />
* [[Tyrant]]<br />
* [[Valengard]]<br />
* [[Wa]]<br />
* [[World of Darkness RogueLike]]<br />
* [[Z-Day]]<br />
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<div>In some cases, it may be clear that one roguelike derives from another. For example, NetHack was built atop Hack, so its lineage seems clear. Other times, determining relations proves more difficult. Where does ADOM fit? It appears to be a hacklike, but does not share its codebase with any other game. Similarly, [[Avanor]] adopts the gameplay, but not the actual code, of ADOM.<br />
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[[Rogue]]<br />
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[[Moria]] [[Larn]] [[Omega]] [[Hack]]<br />
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[[Angband]] | [[NetHack]]<br />
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[[ToME]] [[ZAngband]] [[ADOM]] [[Zap'm]] [[SLASH'EM]] [[Crawl]]<br />
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''Schematic family tree of popular roguelike games, showing inheritance by play style.''<br />
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Forming a series of differentiators might offer a standard nomenclature for describing roguelikes from which one might construct taxonomic groups of roguelikes.<br />
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List of differentiators:<br />
* [[Plot]] vs. Plotless: a plot-based roguelike sports a non-trivial plot. Note that quests ("kill the bad guy at the bottom", etc.) don't make a non-trivial plot. Plot-based roguelikes would include [[ADOM]] and [[GearHead]].<br />
* [[Dungeon persistence]]: persistent dungeons impact gameplay in many ways. They lead to finite in-game resources countered by unlimitted storage capacity (assuming object persistence, as well). They also leave few alternatives to confronting difficult obstacles and foes. Pacing thus differs radically, and this becomes a significant differentiator. ADOM, despite the infinite dungeon, would fall into this camp. Bands are almost uniformly non-persistent.<br />
* [[Equipment]] upgrade path: how likely are you to finalize a piece of equipment early in your game? Bands tend to have a deep upgrade cycle, where a large portion of the game lies in choosing when and how to upgrade. Hacklikes tend to have a trivial equipment upgrade, where the difficulty lies in acquiring equipment rather than in deciding whether to use it.<br />
* [[Inventory]] size: a relatively wide spectrum is present here. Bands often have fixed inventory slots that make this an important part of the game. However, NetHack also has limited inventory &mdash; 52 slots or so, until one acquires a bag. Even with a bag, items stored therein are not within ready reach. ADOM, by contrast, allows one to cart along pages of inventory provided one has the strength of Atlas.<br />
* [[Dungeon]] size: do dungeon levels fit on one screen? Most bands make levels that do not fit on a screen. Hacklikes tend to fit on one screen. Note that [[Crawl]] represents an exception to this. There are important gameplay differences when one can see the entire dungeon at the same time. Consider the effect on "Detect Monster"-like spells. (While ADOM resizes to fit the screen, note that it will always fit the screen!)<br />
* [[Wilderness]]: is there a wilderness area outside of the dungeon? [[ZAngband]] and ADOM are examples of this.<br />
* [[Town]] with supplies: are there surface towns that carry needed adventuring supplies?<br />
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We can thus create the following adhoc categories:<br />
* Hacklike: persistent dungeons, little equipment upgrade path, large inventory size, single screen dungeon size, no town with supplies<br />
* Band: non-persistent dungeons, equipment upgrade path, limitted inventory size, multi screen dungeons, town with supplies.<br />
* ADOMlike: hacklike + plot + wilderness<br />
* ZAngbandlike:-Band + wilderness<br />
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<div>== Official Development State classification ==<br />
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Categorized by the extent to which the came has been completed:<br />
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* {{:Stable games}}<br />
* {{:Beta projects}}<br />
* {{:Alpha projects}}<br />
* {{:Talkie talkie projects}}<br />
* {{:Defunct projects}}<br />
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Related categorizations:<br />
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* {{:Major games}}<br />
* [[Comerical games|Commercial Games]]: Commercial roguelike games.<br />
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== Master lists ==<br />
<br />
Following are quite large lists of roguelikes:<br />
<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
* [[Lists of roguelikes by year]]<br />
* [[List of roguelikes by theme]]<br />
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== Evolutionary Branch Classification ==<br />
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These are the two main evolutionary branches taken from [[Rogue]]. Of course, many roguelikes belong to neither, especially more recent games which often borrow from other genres, such as simulation and strategy.<br />
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*[[Hacklike]]: these games take inspiration primarily from [[Hack]] and its descendants. [[NetHack]] is the most advanced in this genre. [[ADOM]] and [[Crawl]] may also be considered hacklikes.<br />
*[[Band]]: these are games which take inspiration from [[Moria]] and its descendants. Properly, this term would only refer to [[Angband]] and its [[Angband variants|variants]], but one can extend it to other games with similar playstyle. Many consider [[Diablo]] to be a band.<br />
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See [[Tree of roguelike evolution]]<br />
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== Special Categories ==<br />
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* [[List of handheld roguelikes|Handheld roguelikes]] - for cellphones, Game Boys, etc.<br />
* [[RogueLike Engines]], which in and of themselves are not games, offer the means to construct new games.<br />
* [[Coffeebreak roguelike]]s - extremely short, but fun<br />
* [[Console roguelike]]s - for video game consoles<br />
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<div>This is a '''list of Roguelikes''', ordered by year of release.<br />
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== The games ==<br />
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=== 1974 ===<br />
* [[DnD]]<br />
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=== 1975 ===<br />
* [[Dungeon]]<br />
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=== 1980 ===<br />
* [[Rogue]]<br />
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=== 1983 ===<br />
* [[Moria]]<br />
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=== 1985 ===<br />
* [[Hack]]<br />
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=== 1986 ===<br />
* [[Larn]]<br />
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=== 1987 ===<br />
* [[NetHack]]<br />
* [[Omega]]<br />
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=== 1990 ===<br />
* [[Angband]]<br />
* [[BOSS]]<br />
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=== 1992 ===<br />
* [[Crossfire]]<br />
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=== 1993 ===<br />
* [[Dungeon Hack]]<br />
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=== 1994 ===<br />
* [[ADOM]] (Ancient Domains of Mystery)<br />
* [[Alphaman]]<br />
* [[Ragnarok]]<br />
* [[Zangband]]<br />
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=== 1995 ===<br />
* [[Alphaman]]<br />
* [[Crawl]]<br />
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=== 1996 ===<br />
* [[Diablo]] (heavily influenced by the Roguelike genre)<br />
* [[The Minstrel's Song]]<br />
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=== 1997 ===<br />
* [[Dungeon Crawl]]<br />
* [[Mangband]]<br />
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=== 1998 ===<br />
* [[The Legend of Saladir]]<br />
* [[ToME]] (Troubles of Middle Earth)<br />
* [[UnderDark]]<br />
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=== 1999 ===<br />
* [[Kharne]]<br />
* [[Star Rogue]]<br />
* [[Tyrant]]<br />
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=== 2000 ===<br />
* [[Diablo II]]<br />
* [[Domain Country]]<br />
* [[Egoboo]]<br />
* [[Slaves to Armok]]<br />
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=== 2001 ===<br />
* [[Avanor]]<br />
* [[DeadCold]]<br />
* [[IVAN]]<br />
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=== 2002 ===<br />
* [[AburaTan]]<br />
* [[GearHead]]<br />
* [[Goodfire]]<br />
* [[Xenocide]]<br />
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=== 2003 ===<br />
* [[Dungeon Monkey]]<br />
* [[Incursion]]<br />
* [[POWDER]]<br />
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=== 2004 ===<br />
* [[DoomRL]]<br />
* [[Star Hammer]]<br />
* [[Tower of Doom]]<br />
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=== 2005 ===<br />
* [[ANK]]<br />
* [[CastlevaniaRL]]<br />
* [[DiabloRL]]<br />
* [[You Only Live Once]]<br />
* [[Z-Day]]<br />
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=== 2006 ===<br />
* [[Letter Hunt]]<br />
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== Related topics ==<br />
* [[Categories]]<br />
* [[List of roguelikes]]<br />
* [[Roguelike Games]]<br />
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