http://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&feed=atom&action=historyDiscussion:Field of Vision - Revision history2024-03-29T11:48:35ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.36.0http://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&diff=38381&oldid=prevMikon: /* Extra visibility properties */2014-06-12T22:19:04Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Extra visibility properties</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Kuo Corridor from [[Precise Permissive Field of View]] is an extreme example in that even an algorithm that checks visibility between all corners and middle edge points of two tiles does not make the retreat safe. The property 7. is only satisfied by algorithms that analyze visibility between continuous sections of each of the two tiles, spanning the width of the corridor, not a small set of points in one of the tiles. Such algorithms are beam casting (e.g, parallel beams starting from diagonals of a tile), Digital FOV (visibility from a cross dividing a tile into 4 squares) and Precise Permissive FOV (visibility from an 'X' dividing a tile into 4 triangles). See https://github.com/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Mikolaj</del>/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Allure</del>/wiki/Fov-and-los for some more context. This property is related to the "shadows without holes" property, but here the holes may actually be between the shadow and a corridor wall, not inside the shadow. In other words, the property states that shadow borders intersect with any corridor at most once on each side of the player. Shadow aligns well with the corridor that casts it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Kuo Corridor from [[Precise Permissive Field of View]] is an extreme example in that even an algorithm that checks visibility between all corners and middle edge points of two tiles does not make the retreat safe. The property 7. is only satisfied by algorithms that analyze visibility between continuous sections of each of the two tiles, spanning the width of the corridor, not a small set of points in one of the tiles. Such algorithms are beam casting (e.g, parallel beams starting from diagonals of a tile), Digital FOV (visibility from a cross dividing a tile into 4 squares) and Precise Permissive FOV (visibility from an 'X' dividing a tile into 4 triangles). See https://github.com/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">LambdaHack</ins>/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">LambdaHack</ins>/wiki/Fov-and-los for some more context. This property is related to the "shadows without holes" property, but here the holes may actually be between the shadow and a corridor wall, not inside the shadow. In other words, the property states that shadow borders intersect with any corridor at most once on each side of the player. Shadow aligns well with the corridor that casts it.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Mikonhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&diff=26089&oldid=prevMikon: /* Extra visibility properties */2011-11-11T21:49:08Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Extra visibility properties</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Kuo Corridor from [[Precise Permissive Field of View]] is an extreme example in that even an algorithm that checks visibility between all corners and middle edge points of two tiles does not make the retreat safe. The property 7. is only satisfied by algorithms that analyze visibility between continuous sections of each of the two tiles, spanning the width of the corridor, not a small set of points in one of the tiles. Such algorithms are beam casting (e.g, parallel beams starting from diagonals of a tile), Digital FOV (visibility from a cross dividing a tile into 4 squares) and Precise Permissive FOV (visibility from an 'X' dividing a tile into 4 triangles). See https://github.com/Mikolaj/<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">LambdaHack</del>/wiki/Fov-and-los for some more context. This property is related to the "shadows without holes" property, but here the holes may actually be between the shadow and a corridor wall, not inside the shadow. In other words, the property states that shadow borders intersect with any corridor at most once on each side of the player. Shadow aligns well with the corridor that casts it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Kuo Corridor from [[Precise Permissive Field of View]] is an extreme example in that even an algorithm that checks visibility between all corners and middle edge points of two tiles does not make the retreat safe. The property 7. is only satisfied by algorithms that analyze visibility between continuous sections of each of the two tiles, spanning the width of the corridor, not a small set of points in one of the tiles. Such algorithms are beam casting (e.g, parallel beams starting from diagonals of a tile), Digital FOV (visibility from a cross dividing a tile into 4 squares) and Precise Permissive FOV (visibility from an 'X' dividing a tile into 4 triangles). See https://github.com/Mikolaj/<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Allure</ins>/wiki/Fov-and-los for some more context. This property is related to the "shadows without holes" property, but here the holes may actually be between the shadow and a corridor wall, not inside the shadow. In other words, the property states that shadow borders intersect with any corridor at most once on each side of the player. Shadow aligns well with the corridor that casts it.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Mikonhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&diff=25839&oldid=prevMikon: add subsections, to help liking2011-10-20T12:32:29Z<p>add subsections, to help liking</p>
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</table>Mikonhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&diff=22970&oldid=prevMikon: /* Other points for consideration */2010-11-27T14:33:59Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Other points for consideration</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Kuo Corridor from [[Precise Permissive Field of View]] is an extreme example in that even an algorithm that checks visibility <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">from </del>all corners and middle edge points of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a tile </del>does not make the retreat safe. The property is only satisfied by algorithms that analyze visibility <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">from a </del>continuous <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">section </del>spanning the width of the corridor, not a small set of points <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">inside </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">tile</del>. Such algorithms are beam casting (e.g, parallel beams starting from diagonals of a tile), Digital FOV (visibility from a cross dividing a tile into 4 squares) and Precise Permissive FOV (visibility from an 'X' dividing a tile into 4 triangles). See https://github.com/Mikolaj/LambdaHack/wiki/Fov-and-los for some more context. This property is related to the "shadows without holes" property, but here the holes may actually be between the shadow and a corridor wall, not inside the shadow. In other words, the property states that shadow borders intersect with any corridor at most once on each side of the player. Shadow aligns well with the corridor that casts it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Kuo Corridor from [[Precise Permissive Field of View]] is an extreme example in that even an algorithm that checks visibility <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">between </ins>all corners and middle edge points of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">two tiles </ins>does not make the retreat safe. The property <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">7. </ins>is only satisfied by algorithms that analyze visibility <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">between </ins>continuous <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sections of each of the two tiles, </ins>spanning the width of the corridor, not a small set of points <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in one of </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">tiles</ins>. Such algorithms are beam casting (e.g, parallel beams starting from diagonals of a tile), Digital FOV (visibility from a cross dividing a tile into 4 squares) and Precise Permissive FOV (visibility from an 'X' dividing a tile into 4 triangles). See https://github.com/Mikolaj/LambdaHack/wiki/Fov-and-los for some more context. This property is related to the "shadows without holes" property, but here the holes may actually be between the shadow and a corridor wall, not inside the shadow. In other words, the property states that shadow borders intersect with any corridor at most once on each side of the player. Shadow aligns well with the corridor that casts it.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Mikonhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&diff=22969&oldid=prevMikon: /* Other points for consideration */2010-11-27T14:14:17Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Other points for consideration</span></span></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>7. '''Retreating is safe'''. If you keep retreating into a corridor, once you are hidden from an immovable monster's sight, you stay hidden; this applies for arbitrarily twisted corridors of width 1 (probably enough to consider digital lines)<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">; with </del>symmetry, this implies that retreating doesn't improve your sight, either<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">)</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>7. '''Retreating is safe'''. If you keep retreating into a corridor, once you are hidden from an immovable monster's sight, you stay hidden; this applies for arbitrarily twisted corridors of width 1 (probably enough to consider digital lines)<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. With </ins>symmetry, this implies that retreating doesn't improve your sight, either<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">.</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Kuo Corridor from [[Precise Permissive Field of View]] is an extreme example in that even an algorithm that checks visibility from all corners and middle edge points of a tile does not make the retreat safe. The property is only satisfied by algorithms that analyze visibility from a continuous section spanning the width of the corridor, not a small set of points inside the tile. Such algorithms are beam casting (e.g, parallel beams starting from diagonals of a tile), Digital FOV (visibility from a cross dividing a tile into 4 squares) and Precise Permissive FOV (visibility from an 'X' dividing a tile into 4 triangles). See https://github.com/Mikolaj/LambdaHack/wiki/Fov-and-los for some more context.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Kuo Corridor from [[Precise Permissive Field of View]] is an extreme example in that even an algorithm that checks visibility from all corners and middle edge points of a tile does not make the retreat safe. The property is only satisfied by algorithms that analyze visibility from a continuous section spanning the width of the corridor, not a small set of points inside the tile. Such algorithms are beam casting (e.g, parallel beams starting from diagonals of a tile), Digital FOV (visibility from a cross dividing a tile into 4 squares) and Precise Permissive FOV (visibility from an 'X' dividing a tile into 4 triangles). See https://github.com/Mikolaj/LambdaHack/wiki/Fov-and-los for some more context<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. This property is related to the "shadows without holes" property, but here the holes may actually be between the shadow and a corridor wall, not inside the shadow. In other words, the property states that shadow borders intersect with any corridor at most once on each side of the player. Shadow aligns well with the corridor that casts it</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Mikonhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&diff=22968&oldid=prevMikon: /* Other points for consideration */2010-11-27T14:00:57Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Other points for consideration</span></span></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* There is another property of vision (and targetting), which influences gameplay:</ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td colspan="2"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Kuo Corridor from [[Precise Permissive Field of View]] is an extreme example in that even an algorithm that checks visibility from all corners and middle edge points of a tile does not make the retreat safe. The property is only satisfied by algorithms that analyze visibility from a continuous section spanning the width of the corridor, not a small set of points inside the tile. Such algorithms are beam casting (e.g, parallel beams starting from diagonals of a tile), Digital FOV (visibility from a cross dividing a tile into 4 squares) and Precise Permissive FOV (visibility from an 'X' dividing a tile into 4 triangles). See https://github.com/Mikolaj/LambdaHack/wiki/Fov-and-los for some more context.</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Mikonhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&diff=22963&oldid=prevMikon: typo2010-11-27T01:46:21Z<p>typo</p>
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</table>Mikonhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&diff=18841&oldid=prevBessarion at 03:15, 14 August 20092009-08-14T03:15:51Z<p></p>
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</table>Bessarionhttp://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Discussion:Field_of_Vision&diff=18789&oldid=prevBessarion at 05:35, 5 August 20092009-08-05T05:35:21Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>An alternate way of implementing the symmetry property for visibility and targetability, is to define a preferred viewpoint for visibility/targetability (usually @) -- then use this viewpoint for calculating both player visibility/targetability, and monster visibility/targetability.<blockquote><i>Bessarion: this is "visibility ether" in honor of the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">seminal </del>effort to reconcile Maxwell's equations with the Galilean transform traditionally used in Newtonian physics, the ether.</i></blockquote></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>An alternate way of implementing the symmetry property for visibility and targetability, is to define a preferred viewpoint for visibility/targetability (usually @) -- then use this viewpoint for calculating both player visibility/targetability, and monster visibility/targetability.<blockquote><i>Bessarion: this is "visibility ether" in honor of the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">final </ins>effort to reconcile Maxwell's equations with the Galilean transform traditionally used in Newtonian physics, the ether.</i></blockquote></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This gets the symmetry property while retaining an asymmetric visibility function V. Even when V(x,y)&ne;V(y,x), symmetry is attained regardless: for @ with position x and monster with position y, both visibility checks are done with V(x,y). Of course, transposing the player and the monster will end up using V(y,x). For an asymmetric visibility function V, this does mean transposing a player and monster that can see each other, could end up rendering both player and monster mutually unable to see each other. This is '''still''' symmetric visibility.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This gets the symmetry property while retaining an asymmetric visibility function V. Even when V(x,y)&ne;V(y,x), symmetry is attained regardless: for @ with position x and monster with position y, both visibility checks are done with V(x,y). Of course, transposing the player and the monster will end up using V(y,x). For an asymmetric visibility function V, this does mean transposing a player and monster that can see each other, could end up rendering both player and monster mutually unable to see each other. This is '''still''' symmetric visibility.</div></td></tr>
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