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| For convenience I am not including 7DRL or similar quicky roguelikes (that are well covered elsewhere anyway). Also only including those where you can download the game (preferably have a home page and source as well).
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| : Cracks and Crevices is alphabetised down in the S's, i'd move it but I'd have to alter all the alternate line colouring which I didnt want to mess with such an update touching every line..... [[User:Stu|Stu]] 15:12, 19 March 2009 (CET)
| | This is specifically intended to be a handy reference to playable, new and recently updated Roguelike (and vaguely roguelike ;-) games. |
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| :: Thanks. I wouldn't worry too much about the shading. There'll probably be a few more to be added yet. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
| | * 7DRL games are excluded <b>unless</b> they continue to be updated after the initial 7 days. This is to avoid them crowding out others in the list. |
| | | * Alpha games are only included if they have a somewhat playable download. |
| ::: Shame we can't have this kind of thing automated. When a new release is made, so many pages need to be touched. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 16:32, 19 March 2009 (CET)
| | * No download available means no listing. |
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| :::: Surely there's an easier way? Does the wiki formatting allow borders in tables? That way we could have the grey background with a white border, or something similar. Otherwise we should just strip the different colours - far too hard to maintain as it is. [[User:Darren_Grey|Darren Grey]] 20 March 2009
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| ::::: It's a 30 second job with Excel. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
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| :::::: OK, maybe a 54 second job - but that includes the time to load the page before and after. ;-) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
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| ::::::: It looks like [http://www.roguetemple.com/irldb/ the IRLDB] has something similar to this; maybe we can use that instead of this page. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to automatically update. [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 21:07, 20 March 2009 (CET)
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| :::::::: I used the IRLDB as one of the sources. It is far from complete (although it obviously has some technical advantages). By including just 2008 onwards I cut down the task to a (just) manageable level. I would not like to have the job of collating equivalent material for other years. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
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| ::::::::: Well at some point we should maybe move out 2008 to a separate article and have "recent" as only 2009. [[User:Darren_Grey|Darren Grey]]
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| === IRLDB === | | === IRLDB === |
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| Having checked out IRLDB in more detail, there are only three problems I can see with it. | | Having checked out IRLDB in more detail, there are only three problems I can see with it. |
| * <s>No update since 2008 Aug 22</s>
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| * Only contains data from games included in RogueBasin | | * Only contains data from games included in RogueBasin |
| * Only contains data given in templates used in RogueBasin (e.g. Angband template has no language information). | | * Only contains data given in templates used in RogueBasin (e.g. Angband template has no language information). |
| (Correct me if I'm wrong). If these flaws are corrected then it might well be best to replace this page (and probably a few others) with output from IRLDB. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
| | If that was changed then it might well be best to replace this page (and probably a few others) with output from IRLDB. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]] |
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| === Colour coding === | | ==Older than 12 months== |
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| How about colorcoding the background according to release status. Red = Alpha / Yellow = Beta / Green = Stable. (Well, have to see what it looks like first ;-) [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
| | Removed games from the list that were last updated more than 12 months ago. Such games are listed at [[Recently Updated Roguelikes/archive]]. |
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| === Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr 2008 === | | == Add authors column == |
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| Removed games from the list that were last updated more than 12 months ago.
| | Why not to add column of authors? --[[User:Sindikat|Sindikat]] 10:16, 20 May 2009 (CEST) |
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| | : Basically because the table is wide enough already. People can see the author on the RogueBasin page for the game or on the game's website (both linked from the table). You can see a table with author name at [http://www.roguetemple.com/irldb/ the IRLDB] if you want. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]] |
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| | style="float:left" | [[Caverns of Underkeep]] [http://www.tinyfrogsoftware.com/cavernsbeta/] || style="float:right" | {{beta}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Feb 22 2008 || align="right" | || align="left" | || align="left" | [[Java]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[ChessRogue]] [http://chessrogue.sourceforge.net/] || style="float:right" | {{stable}} || align="left" | Surreal || align="right" | Mar 5 2008 || align="right" | 0.3.1 || align="left" | || align="left" | [[Kaya]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Cracks and Crevices]] [http://www.mega-tokyo.com/blog/index.php/site/category/cracks_and_crevices_releases/] || style="float:right" | {{alpha}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Feb 9 2008 || align="right" | 0.4 || align="left" | || align="left" | [[C]],[[SDL]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Crossfire]] [http://crossfire.real-time.com/] || style="float:right" | {{stable}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Jan 28 2008 || align="right" | 1.11.0 || align="left" | || align="left" | [[Java]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Drogue]] (Dercz rogue) [https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=202320] || style="float:right" | {{alpha}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Feb 24 2008 || align="right" | 0.33.1 || align="left" | || align="left" |
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| | style="float:left" | [[Guild]] [http://www.roguetemple.com/guild/] || style="float:right" | {{beta}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Feb 10 2008 || align="right" | 1.0.3 || align="left" | || align="left" |
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| | style="float:left" | [[Heroic Adventure!]] [http://www.heroicadventure.com/] || style="float:right" | {{alpha}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Feb 18 2008 || align="right" | 0.1.6f || align="left" | || align="left" | [[Visual Basic | VB.NET]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Mines of Elderlore]] [http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=184938&package_id=263211] || style="float:right" | {{beta}} || align="left" | Fantasy,7 || align="right" | Mar 18 2008 || align="right" | 1.0 beta 4 || align="left" | || align="left" | [[Python]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Netzhack]] [http://www.netzhack.de/] || style="float:right" | {{beta}} || align="left" | Fantasy,H || align="right" | Jan 21 2008 || align="right" | 0.1.0 || align="left" | Nethack || align="left" | [[C]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Omega]] (for Windows) [http://freespace.virgin.net/davidk.kinder/omega.html] || style="float:right" | {{stable}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Feb 13 2008 || align="right" | || align="left" | Omega 0.80.2 || align="left" | [[C]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Quick Angband]] (Quickband) [http://angband.oook.cz/quickband/] || style="float:right" | {{stable}} || align="left" | Fantasy,A || align="right" | Jan 12 2008 || align="right" | 1.05 || align="left" | || align="left" | [[C]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Test Adventure]] [http://torch.cs.dal.ca/%7Emacdona2/test_adventure/test_adventure.html] || style="float:right" | {{beta}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Feb 15 2008 || align="right" | 2 || align="left" | || align="left" | [[Python]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[TileRogue]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/TileRogue.htm] || style="float:right" | {{stable}} || align="left" | Fantasy,R || align="right" | Mar 27 2008 || align="right" | 1.21 || align="left" | Rogue || align="left" |
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| | style="float:left" | [[Atinar]] (The casual RPG game) [http://atinarrl.blogspot.com/] || style="float:right" | {{alpha}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Apr 9 2008 || align="right" | Alpha || align="left" | || align="left" |
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| | style="float:left" | [[DoomRL]] [http://doom.chaosforge.org/] || style="float:right" | {{stable}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Apr 23 2008 || align="right" | 0.9.8.10 || align="left" | || align="left" | [[Free Pascal]],[[SDL]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[RevivedHack]] [http://www.freewebs.com/drussell/RevivedHack.htm] || style="float:right" | {{stable}} || align="left" | Fantasy,H || align="right" | Apr 10 2008 || align="right" | 1.63 || align="left" | PC Hack 3.61 || align="left" | [[C]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Saffron]] [http://iceyboard.no-ip.org/projects/saffron/] || style="float:right" | {{beta}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | Apr 22 2008 || align="right" | v0.7 || align="left" | || align="left" | [[Visual Basic]] 6
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| | style="float:left" | [[Deep]] [http://www.deep.homepage.t-online.de/] || style="float:right" | {{beta}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | May 28 2008 || align="right" | v2.22a || align="left" | || align="left" | [[Turbo Pascal]]
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| | style="float:left" | [[Escape From Fobbahland]] [http://fobbah.googlepages.com/escapefromfobbahland] || style="float:right" | {{alpha}} || align="left" | Fantasy || align="right" | May 11 2008 || align="right" | 0.1 || align="left" | || align="left" |
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| | style="float:left" | [[Troubles of Middle Earth]] (ToME) [http://t-o-m-e.net/main.php?tome_current=0] || style="float:right" | {{stable}} || align="left" | Fantasy,A || align="right" | May 12 2008 || align="right" | 2.3.5 || align="left" | Zangband 2.2.0 || align="left" | [[C]]
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| === Wiki table bug === | | == table css == |
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| Note that there is an intermittent glitch in the wiki table system that affects this article (see above for example). If the display appears strange after you edit details in a row this is why. I have found no real work around, other than removing the
| | Colouring the rows manually is just ridiculous, I get some css for you and if one of the admins could put that into the stylesheet that would be great: |
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| <nowiki>|| style="float:right" |</nowiki> | | <nowiki>tr:nth-child(odd) {background: #ffffff} |
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| | : Turns out admins can add new CSS to [[MediaWiki:Common.css]], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_talk:Table/Archive_4#Alternating_row_colors? I found more instructions and examples here.] |
| | : I'll recommend adding this one: <syntaxhighlight lang="css">table.alternategrey tr:nth-child(even) {background: #E9E9E9;}</syntaxhighlight> --[[User:HexDecimal|HexDecimal]] ([[User talk:HexDecimal|talk]]) 02:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC) |
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| before the <nowiki>{{alpha}}</nowiki> status tag in the affected line. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
| | == Sort by date == |
| :After I made a few changes, it looks right on my computer. Does it still look wrong on yours? [[User:Nate879|Nathan Stoddard]] 02:58, 9 April 2009 (CEST)
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| :: Yeah, it looks fine now. It doesn't happen every time and it doesn't happen to the same line every time (or to the line you edit). I'm just warning people in case it ''does'' happen. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
| | If the list was, by default, sorted by date, the list would be much easier to update with new games and it would be easier to remove old ones. Even now that I've changed the date format, sorting by date doesn't work because days are first and months are spelled out. I would be willing to go through and either manually sort the list by date or change the date format again to year-month-day (e.g. 2017-06-30). This format is less readable but can be sorted by the arrows on the table. Note that if the table is manually resorted, readers would still be able to sort them alphabetically this way. [[User:DarklordMogrithe|DarklordMogrithe]] ([[User talk:DarklordMogrithe|talk]]) 18:03, 30 June 2017 (CEST) |
| | : The best way to sort dates would be to use data-sort-type="date" [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Sorting as shown here] but this didn't work when I tested it. The standard way to format dates would be to use templates such as [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Date Date] or [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:ISOdate ISOdate] so that date localization is handled but these templates were missing when I tried them. --[[User:HexDecimal|HexDecimal]] ([[User talk:HexDecimal|talk]]) 07:04, 11 February 2022 (UTC) |
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| ::: Just to note that this display bug ''disappears on refresh'' it (so far) only appears on initial load of the page. (???). Probably nothing to be done about it unless this wiki goes to a more recent Wiki version. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
| | == Umoria - a fake entry? == |
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| | To be well understood: Umoria is a valuable historical game. But the peculiar entry in this table of "Recently Updated Roguelikes" seems to be an abuse. Well, let's call it a prank. The wikilink points to "Moria"; no new versions anywhere. Did I miss something? Due to the facts I'd like to remove the table entry "Umoria" if there are no reasonable vetos. -- [[User:Gus Van|Gus Van]] ([[User talk:Gus Van|talk]]) 22:40, 4 September 2018 (CEST) |
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| Why not to add column of authors? --[[User:Sindikat|Sindikat]] 10:16, 20 May 2009 (CEST)
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| : Basically because the table is wide enough already. People can see the author on the RogueBasin page for the game or on the game's website (both linked from the table). You can see a table with author name at [http://www.roguetemple.com/irldb/ the IRLDB] if you want. [[User:PaulBlay|PaulBlay]]
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Concept of page
This is specifically intended to be a handy reference to playable, new and recently updated Roguelike (and vaguely roguelike ;-) games.
- 7DRL games are excluded unless they continue to be updated after the initial 7 days. This is to avoid them crowding out others in the list.
- Alpha games are only included if they have a somewhat playable download.
- No download available means no listing.
IRLDB
Having checked out IRLDB in more detail, there are only three problems I can see with it.
- Only contains data from games included in RogueBasin
- Only contains data given in templates used in RogueBasin (e.g. Angband template has no language information).
If that was changed then it might well be best to replace this page (and probably a few others) with output from IRLDB. PaulBlay
Older than 12 months
Removed games from the list that were last updated more than 12 months ago. Such games are listed at Recently Updated Roguelikes/archive.
Add authors column
Why not to add column of authors? --Sindikat 10:16, 20 May 2009 (CEST)
- Basically because the table is wide enough already. People can see the author on the RogueBasin page for the game or on the game's website (both linked from the table). You can see a table with author name at the IRLDB if you want. PaulBlay
table css
Colouring the rows manually is just ridiculous, I get some css for you and if one of the admins could put that into the stylesheet that would be great:
tr:nth-child(odd) {background: #ffffff}
tr:nth-child(even) {background: #efefef}
- Turns out admins can add new CSS to MediaWiki:Common.css, I found more instructions and examples here.
- I'll recommend adding this one:
table.alternategrey tr:nth-child(even) {background: #E9E9E9;}
--HexDecimal (talk) 02:08, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Sort by date
If the list was, by default, sorted by date, the list would be much easier to update with new games and it would be easier to remove old ones. Even now that I've changed the date format, sorting by date doesn't work because days are first and months are spelled out. I would be willing to go through and either manually sort the list by date or change the date format again to year-month-day (e.g. 2017-06-30). This format is less readable but can be sorted by the arrows on the table. Note that if the table is manually resorted, readers would still be able to sort them alphabetically this way. DarklordMogrithe (talk) 18:03, 30 June 2017 (CEST)
- The best way to sort dates would be to use data-sort-type="date" as shown here but this didn't work when I tested it. The standard way to format dates would be to use templates such as Date or ISOdate so that date localization is handled but these templates were missing when I tried them. --HexDecimal (talk) 07:04, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
Umoria - a fake entry?
To be well understood: Umoria is a valuable historical game. But the peculiar entry in this table of "Recently Updated Roguelikes" seems to be an abuse. Well, let's call it a prank. The wikilink points to "Moria"; no new versions anywhere. Did I miss something? Due to the facts I'd like to remove the table entry "Umoria" if there are no reasonable vetos. -- Gus Van (talk) 22:40, 4 September 2018 (CEST)